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06-04-2023 , 11:52 PM
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Some kid was using a solver live on his phone.
Wtf. Hope he got kicked out or the **** kicked out of him in the parking lot. That's cheating.
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06-05-2023 , 12:12 AM
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Wtf. Hope he got kicked out or the **** kicked out of him in the parking lot. That's cheating.
Perhaps it was cheating but was he actually in a hand or was he just looking up a previously played spot while not in a hand?
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06-05-2023 , 12:17 AM
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Perhaps it was cheating but was he actually in a hand or was he just looking up a previously played spot while not in a hand?
I'm assuming this was brought up cause it was mid-hand. But if he was just checking a spot while not in a hand, totally fine. Although probably not a good idea to openly study ranges at the table.
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06-05-2023 , 05:56 AM
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It's too late now. Poor guy's bleeding out on the sidewalk after y'all curb stomped him for ordering an Uber
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06-05-2023 , 07:09 AM
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Ok NN versus solver over 10 million hands who wins ? I assume the solver. Also that link is weird when I try to scroll it just puts a blue line
The solver will win. Solvers that use a neural net still use the same algorithm that traditional solvers use, but they only play until the end of the round. They use a neural net to estimate the payoffs for each player at that point. It is strictly less accurate than solving to the end of the game.
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06-06-2023 , 04:16 AM
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Neural nets for poker give me trust issues. Neural nets are the equivalent of intuition in humans, they give an approximate answer by inferring from past experiences, how could this possibly be good if you want to know the exact EV of a nodelocked line ?

I wish deepsolver would organise a HU between traditional solver and their neural net based solver so we can see how many bb/100 we're losing for the cost fo instant calculation. Or maybe they did and realise making the answer public isnt in their interest
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06-06-2023 , 04:19 AM
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Ruse beat slumbot w/ 1 Sizing for 19bb/100 (200bb eFF

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06-06-2023 , 06:21 AM
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wtf is slumbot though? no chance ruse beats pio for this amount if it beats it at all
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06-06-2023 , 06:30 AM
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I think slumbot is just a database of sims

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06-06-2023 , 07:42 AM
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Neural nets for poker give me trust issues. Neural nets are the equivalent of intuition in humans, they give an approximate answer by inferring from past experiences, how could this possibly be good if you want to know the exact EV of a nodelocked line ?

I wish deepsolver would organise a HU between traditional solver and their neural net based solver so we can see how many bb/100 we're losing for the cost fo instant calculation. Or maybe they did and realise making the answer public isnt in their interest


https://deepsolver.com/blog/speed-pr...ks-and-testing
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06-06-2023 , 05:14 PM
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Was it ever revealed what was under the hood of the Kanu solver? NN or something else?
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