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Nothing new and definitely not groundbreaking, what is shown in the video can be easily automated

wow this is scary

Every honest person might as well stop playing online poker tbh.

If you need software to tell you to fold 54o from HJ just kys

this is not as scary as i anticipated and i imagine there are far more sophisticated operations/software just automatically reading action and inputting solver plays without human input

Pretend it's a dream fantasy -- what on Earth can be done to stop RTS?

Not play on line.

Am i missing something? Clicking in GTOW seems easier than using this?

This would take any competent coder like 2 hours tops

I seem to remember some cyrillic screen recording of a program that had lots of presolves, automatically loading the chart and placing bets. This must've been a few years ago now.

Not really. If it follows GTO perfectly then it’s easy to detect programmatically : BAN

If it fuzzes GTO within a certain percentage : BAN

If it fuzzes GTO a larger percentage they lose money.

It’s also easy programmatically to detect delays in action, that 54 was an insta-fold by a human but obviously computation speed and software improvements will reduce that.


Poker companies need to be on their toes for this or no more business.

What if I'm away from my pc to take a piss or get a drank or my cay has jumped in my lap to get some loving. Just because a player doesn't install muck a crap hand it isn't always cheating

this could be pretty easy to modify to click the table buttons for you using OCR and just reading the screen for the best/fold buttons.. basically a GTOwizard bot

Agreed ... speed of actions pretty much has nothing to do with whether someone is cheating ... regardless of method.

Every session I play there are at least several hands with easy preflop decisions, but my action is delayed due to an important / hard decision on a different table. Right now I stack my tables, as it's the only way I can play 8-10 tables effectively on a laptop screen.

The biggest problem I see with detecting cheating by comparing to known solutions are that people deviate from solutions all the time in many different ways ... bet sizings, hand selection etc. so it's hard to accurately define what counts as a match when a spot is not identical to the solution in every way.

I can see how someone could still generally follow along with a solution even when they have deviated in some way - such as maybe on the BTN they raise a limper - and decide to follow the CO vs BB solution or they follow a solution that best matches the ranges a villain is playing in a certain spot ... even if the solution they are using isn't actually for that particular spot ... and that could be more detectable ... but it's certainly not easy since there are so many spots to check and millions of hands being played.

This is not a simple problem to solve in any way.

This one is trivial to detect

Agreed ... because it literally pops up a window and is displayed on screen of the same machine you're playing on. I am only commenting on the discussion regarding poker sites implementing some kind of security that would be comparing played hands to published optimal solutions.

They probably do that already, at least the more reputable sites

I'm not gonan comment on what I think you'd need in order to cheat and not get caught because I don't wanna give people any ideas, but it would have to be far more sophysticated than this, unless you play on apps or some site with no accountability

when it can do searching for solutions postflop that's when it's over

isnt this why gtowizard has a feature where they compare HHs to usage history ? also if gtowizard has any moral fibre on their own they would surely have means to notice if someone pings gtowizard for hours every 8th second on average

what do you think bots are programmed to do? You think they are not using GTO postflop solutions already? cmon dood

And a guy calling a turn jam with J2o on AK67cc isn't? It hurts me to even imagine the huge percantage of players in online pools who are cheating by using RTA. Who knew the rigtards would be right all along.

Of course it would be detectable if someone was making calls like that all the time ... but some (rare - due to how extreme of a call it is) players are just bad enough they talk themselves into stupid calls like this or make insane tilt calls, so you can't just automatically say it's cheating when someone does this.

Oh come on man!

this was true 10 years ago. not to say there wasn't still money to be made online but those who transitioned to big live games made far more, far safer and far easier.

Nothing new.

There was a group who was killing high stakes on a euro site few years ago.

And yes, it was WAY MORE sophisticated...