there should be hybrid games: online games monitorized in casinos. This would be a solution, but probably not convenient enough for beeing popular.

Simply offering more variants of the game and seeing which ones play the best + become the most popular would also work well over time. Antes, mandatory straddles, bomb pots, 6 card type variants, etc. Not to mention that the average micros and low stakes players can have all the access to GTOWizard they want and they'll still find a way to lose money in the long run.

Let people tailor their games more online, too. Let us set up cash games to our exact specifications. Taking a .10/.25 (25nl) game and making it .25/.25 or something drastically changes everything. More 200+ bb BI games to go along with these kinds of structures, too.

Yes ass pulling a bunch of random games is one solution

lol - I didn't say to pull them out of thin air. I was just giving an example. The possibilities are endless so the community would naturally come to a consensus around certain variants.

The fact still remains that "online is dead b/c of gtowiz" is a large exaggeration. That RTA is the problem of our time and needs to be addressed immediately is not.

Sorry the ass pulling part was directed more at people in general. Something I have a difficult time understanding with poker players is why can't they except thst we've gotten to a point where the more intelligent and more studied players are gonna win the monies. The days of figuring **** out on the fly are long gone. Poker and chess are similarly solved yet as far as I know people aren' pushing to change the rules of chess. I honestly don't have a problem with whatever game you or anyone else wants to come up with . So long as it's an alternate and not a replacement. So if ACR adds 7-2 games tomorrow fine but if they also shutter all the traditional holdem games I wouldn't like that

Guys, honestly: In the games I'm playing in, and the higher stakes I'm watching, it doesn't at all seem like gtowiz is turning everyone into a superstar overnight. Some horrific plays. Mass -EV being thrown all about. The games are good.

Not entirely true- chess 960 is much more popular today for precisely this reason that regular chess is too formulaic and memory-based (the back rank pieces are randomized). Bobby Fischer invented it decades ago and its embraced by top GM’s today. The point is the same- to create variants that keep the structure of the original game while making it harder to rely on studied solutions.
Applied to poker, even something like deep-stacked triple-blind games minimize ev of solver use. Other options are random bomb pots, small blind game, stand up game, 7-2 game. Gtowiz cant solve those.

Lol'd hard @ "no one pushing to change the rules of chess". Gotta love when people write something as a "gotcha" but have no clue what they are talking about.

Also the implication that the people who are using GtoWiz are intelligent. Even the non cheaters are just memorizing outputs. Theres literally nothing intelligent about it. So again your post is completely backwards - it was back when you had to learn the game on the fly without any study material that you needed intelligence to do well. Ill give you "more studied" though.

Well, that's the worst comparison you could have made. In chess, the only real competition is in live tournaments and strictly controlled online events, all online platforms for chess are overrun with cheats. If that's the future you have for poker it's deeply depressing. Also, GTOwizard's new AI is only the tip of the iceberg, every possible format is gonna be solved such that it's unbeatable by human play. The only viable solution is designing the game in a way that changes the game tree enough to make the precomputed solution -ev.

Implementing fun challenges like stand-up, bomb pots, double boards, and many others can spice up the game for recreational players and change the game dynamic enough to make the solves unprofitable.

Yea playing GTO is so easy. Oh well I'll let you get back to crushing all those GTO idiots. Just so you know top players don't just memorize what a solver does they try to figure why it does what it does. Also how does one tell the difference between a smart player figuring things out and an idiot just doing random ****.

Its not easy, just doesnt require much intelligence compared to being the best at figuring out a game played by millions when no one has access to computers telling them what to do.

Of course I wont crush anyone who has spent years memorizing solver outputs. Luckily I dont have to play against them because my games dont allow antisocial nits.

The only way to not have a security problem is to not have security.

nobody is memorizing solver outputs, and if someone is trying to do that they're probably not very good

If someone is a nit they aren't playing GTO. if you were to look at a solver you would see they're aggro as all get out . I would argue the best players in the world like Linus and Davey can figure things out on the fly, GTO is just a base, Stephen11222 is particularly well known for figuring people's games out and exploiting them

Pretty much all the mid stakes regs are just doing that. Which is why they are **** at poker and stuck at mid stakes despite spending their entire lives studying GTO. They are also definitely nits. They know the sims contain bluffs but they find excuses not to bluff. Nitty arguments like "population is too calling stationy here so Ill just remove a few bluffs to exploit them" which in reality are excuses to be a nit.

The top guys like Linus etc are definitely intelligent and use GTO studies as a base, and also actually bluff.

How much did you lose? you sound mad. Yes, lots of 'nits' at midstakes play normalish pre,flop and turn but don't pull the trigger on the river that is actually playing bad, unless you're up against a station.

Yes nits exist but if you have solid data over a large sample saying pool overcalls flop river triple batrels by 10% in a SRP why wouldn't you shave off some of your river bluffs after getting called on the flop and turn. Just curious what's the minimum vpip at which someone isn't a nit.

there are definitely nodes where people fold too much turn and end up with too strong of a range river which makes some bluffs suddenly -EV, some other nodes are overfolded, just gotta recognize those, also plenty of bluffs at midstakes, but then again, some overbluffed nodes and some underbluffed

You are literally exactly the kind of bad solver nit I talked about lol.

How so ? I didn't see where they describe their own play.

Kebab isnt exactly the sharpest tool in the shed

Literally making excuses to not follow through on the correct river bluffs. And hes not a high stakes player I assume so he falls squarely in the category of solver studying mid stakes bad nit.

confirmed everybody who is not playing high stakes right now is squarely a midstakes bad nit smh

Pretty much. If you are a "pro" poker player who isnt playing high stakes you should reconsider your life choices.

So people shouldn't adjust to exploit their opponents mistakes?