yes

depressing

Already quietly pulled my money from Global and ACR. It's a real shitshow. What am I gonna do with all the money I don't lose online?

CRYPTO

"significantly boost your winrate" because you will improve on your game off table.

I don't know cash game but I think Tournaments are safe from using this tool as RTA because the game is super dynamic , stacksizes change a lot , there are different phases chipEV, low ICM , Hard ICM, and different format, classical, progressive knockout, mystery bounties.

Play PLO instead.

The PLO version of GTOWizard will be available in the second quarter of 2024. Further, whether you realize it or not, there have been products like this available for PLO for years now. Years. They're just about to get a mass injection, as the NLHE ones have.

Nowhere near as advanced yea there's Plotrainer and Runitonces stuff but they don't have that many turns, rivers (not even all the flops yet) and when they do they don't have all the turn, river cards.
Maybe 6 card then is the future, lol but yea I wouldn't worry too much yet at something like midstakes you need to 1 table to use this stuff. I would be worried at highstakes for sure.

Another option could be PLO MTTs since there is nothing for ICM plo stuff.

What makes you think that ICM works differently between NLHE and PLO

I think he just means there are no publically available software that spits out PLO ICM solutions

Bro stop trying to make smartass comments when it just makes you sound dumb, in ICM which is always present in MTTS preflop play and postflop play changes if you just play a cash game style it will not be optimal.

Or your just saying that we should play NLHE MTTS? Seems way easier for it to be gto wizarded again and it's being done. People can also cheat with icmizer and stuff not really a thing in PLO.
Again 6 card plo I guess we're screwed dont want to learn that game seems gay.

Online poker is dead and anyone playing it is a fool. Especially cash games.

I think that's going a step or two too far. There are solid winners and even full time pros that play exclusively online. Although what's occurring here does require the utmost attention from both players and online rooms.

Id bet my left nut that many of these "solid winners" are cheaters who just have an IQ high enough not to use a public tool with an inbuilt fair play tool.

Anyone who plays exclusively online without any live presence or results is highly sus at this point.

Again...I think that's going way too far. It actually seems that a lot of the higher stakes cash game winners of online today don't really want any live presence or really any presence of any kind. To just say that online poker is dead because of gtowiz is not the reality of it, imo.

And why is everyone always so willing to part with their left nut? What's so special about the right one?

Unless its in a casino I'm not playing live poker there are too many ways to cheat. In a casino odds are less for sure but can still happen.

Seems we just disagree. Its not just gtowiz, thats just the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I guess if someone was left handed they would be more willing to part with their right nut.

For how long can I still beat play money?



Seriously, think live casino poker is the thing, especially tournaments. Me and others without a computer brain, and no group colluding so effectively, tables breaking up.

As a professional player whose volume is like 99.9% online, I'm sad to learn I'm "highly sus".

Anyway, Ignition Zone has a strict 15 second shot clock, which is surely too quick to RTA, particularly assuming an RTA person would be playing more than one table. No HUD allowed (nor would it be very useful; anonymous games). I play with many legit fish every day at 200z and 500z. The sites that are zoned off to include mostly Euros/former Soviet state players seem quite tough, but this is 'Merica. Come on over!

I like the idea of playing live as a change of pace (I last did so for a couple 2/5 and 5/10 games more than a year ago), but it's wayyyyyyyy too slow to want to play every day. 9 handed live MTT, maybe 30 hands an hour, let's say you have a 20 VPIP, you're putting volume in the pot only 6 times an hour. Of those 6 hands, maybe, on average, 1.5 will be of any consequence. And then you gotta listen to the guy next to you telling you a bad beat story and all those other annoying things about live poker and/or meeting new people in general.

GTOw briefly had a 15 second delay for any spot where you had the URL of a pre-loaded solve that you wanted to c+p in a new tab (or reload in the same tab). That, by itself, seemed to be a highly useful measure. Then they stopped it. Does anyone know why?

Added you to contacts just to follow your posts.

I think I saw what you would naturally find the most obvious: Players complained about the delay and the pendulum swung back in the other direction. I think that's what happened. I'm sure it will go back the other way again, as well. Everything they're doing right now is a balancing act.

I have the gtowiz starter, am upgrading to premium, and always have their discord channel open. It's extremely active.

I also have the Wizard starter, for a month, interesting to check out. A bit over the top for me though, the Preflop+ and Postflop+ apps look to be my best alternatives at the moment for learning about gto, training to actually play. Don't like to think more about myself than warranted, too much data in the Wiz and videos not strongly my thing. Costs quite some too, looks they almost demand premium, some absolute essentials not in the starter.

Anyone who thinks online cash has a real future or that a ton of your opponents aren't using rta while playing in 2023 are crazy. And as it gets faster and faster you'll be at more and more of a disadvantage if you're not doing it also.

I honestly strongly disagree with the idea that GTO Wizard is at fault here, and I think there's a lot of naivety from people who are specifically putting the blame on GTO Wizard.

I think everyone can agree that solvers and other poker software that helps players in understanding how computers would play has improved and advanced drastically in the past few years. There are numerous tools, resources and programs that allow players to study GTO, exploitative and MDA strategies to improve their games.

When you look at the processing power required to run solves, it was basically inevitable that companies offering solve libraries, as GTO Wizard does, would develop, as many people do not have the processing power to run PIO or GTO+ on their own machines.

GTO Wizard was obviously one of the first to market and did a great job of building their brand and developing their product. I started using the product soon after it launched and found the team behind it very open and easy to engage with on their discord.

GTO Wizard has recognized from the start the potential for people to use their product as RTA, and has always been willing to share their solves with the sites. They've implemented delays for accessing solves from external links, and now recently have launched their fair play check. We've already seen numerous threads in NVG that have caught cheaters using Wizard as RTA.

While it's obviously not perfect, and GTO Wizard will never be able to completely stop cheaters from using their product as RTA, I think the measures they've implemented and steps they've taken to limit it, show that they actually are committed to their product only being used as a study tool.

Given the inevitability that solve libraries such as GTO Wizard would develop (and there are numerous others on the market at this time, they just lack the brand awareness that GTO wizard has built) I think the community is lucky that the biggest leader in this space is actually taking steps to limit the usage of their product as RTA.

GTO Wizard is the site that's probably getting the most heat from this, given their brand awareness, but there's probably a litany of other less publicized sites that are being used as RTA. I remember receiving unsolicited direct messages on discord about another web based solver that was directly implying that it could be used as RTA.

Tldr: GTO Wizard is getting all the heat for all solve library companies, when really they are doing their best to limit their tool being used as RTA.

GTO Wizard indeed seem to be doing some diligence to avoid their product being used as RTA. And there are surely other public and semi-private products out there that ARE being used as RTA by cheaters, so in a sense, GTOw being as known as it is is a good thing for the public awareness about solvers/RTA.

But the fact that such a product is so easily available and prominent should be the death of online cash games for anyone with a brain. Any young person starts playing a new game these days will within the first day be web searching "(Game) + "how to improve" and get all these solver sites at their hands. A LARGE amount of these players wont even think that what they are doing is that bad, and of the ones who do understand, a lot will try to do it anyway because of the money involved. If you dont think you are being cheated online cash games (or tourneys but solves wont be as good for many tourney spots) you are deluded.

The biggest problem is experienced players who know how to deviate enough to not trigger the fair play checks while still getting large advantages from the tools.