In my experience, AI can be a powerful tool but ultimately has some severe limitations. Mainly, you still need qualified humans to train and monitor the AI. They are going to need an actual human to review every single potential case of cheating because the AI won’t be accurate enough to distinguish true cheaters from false positives. I’m really not hopeful that this will be an effective long term solution because it would require a huge investment from either the poker sites or GTOW. I really don’t see that happening when people are already willingly playing against cheaters and bots. I mean what is the incentive for any of these parties to actually tackle cheating, rather than just saying they are? Playing online I’m much more concerned with collusion and ghosting than RTA tbh.

"Identification of lookups in GTO Wizard with analyzed hands - Based on your analyzed hands, automatically see if the solution was looked up in GTO Wizard"

Does this mean that when I throw in my 50k hands at the end of the month to get analyzed, it's going to a) know the exact time the matched hands were played and b) return results all the way back to the start of the month? I.E. how long can the logs go back, >7 days?

Surprisingly optimistic developments!

Can you elaborate on this?

Never used it, but does it have delays? That would be an effective way of stopping it being used in RT.

The bold part, I kinda would argue it's not true. Have you seen any, especially high stakes, MTT final tables on GG Poker lately? Because of their ridiculous timebank approach, people are basically given 10 minutes for a tough spot. You will see a lot of people (especially our Brazilian friends) suddenly go into a massive tank when there is a tough post-flop spot.

Its quite obvious that their stable or whoever is running sims simutionesly. And due to the often long calculation times including ICM, a tool like GTO Wizard is perfect for cheating in this example.

Now you can at least check afterwards if this specific board was solved with GTO WIZ on this FT.

The question of whether GG will do something if it is reported is another... At least this is a small step in the right direction. Won't help with the private/custom RTAs in CG, but at least it might prevent certain people from cheating on MTT FTs.

I skimmed the Pio discord and these were a couple posts that stood out to me

I agree that there is huge potential in Ai, but without human control the result is average or below average! Example content writing Jasper Ai makes good texts, but only as a writer’s assistant, nothing more at the moment!

Why does anyone bother playing there, then? Does any other HS MTT pro have a view on this?

It's good that GTOW is doing this but aren't most cheats using dream machines with native solvers? I assume they have a bunch spots pre-solved and a way to quickly access them.

What can they do though? Even if a solve was accessed around a time a relevant hand was played, can they confiscate tournament win/balances for that? I'm not understanding the enforcement process.


I don't think so. The cheater I had was more of a recreational and no longer plays in the pool regularly since I called them out for RTA in chat. GTOW has brought poker 'solutions' to the broader public and my takeaway from that experience is you have people buying the solutions and using them (sometimes in game, in this case) that don't play poker all that well yet without them.

I still more or less question the ethics of GTOWizard not wanting to put delays of, say, 30 seconds between accessing each new solution of the presolved library, 1 minute for solving each spot using the AI etc. It wouldn not devalue the tool that much, any honest poker player using GTOw to actually study and improve would consider this as the right thing as it would inviabilize cheats, I don´t even see they losing much market share from recs, if recs are in fact studying with GTOw to improve and become regs (concerning lol).

Last, but not least, keeping things unchanged but trying to make money by developing more complicated but not necessarly effective tools for catching cheaters, cheaters using your tool, important to say, because you don´t want to do the right thing and cut the problem by its root. I question the ethics of this.

Love everything else about GTOWizard though, great tool for studying and drilling common spots.

Time to switch to PLO? then eventually 5-6 card I guess.

Seems to already have an impact?

https://www.poker.org/mike-holtz-acc...racelet-event/

No idea if he got banned though.

Probably also only the tip of the iceberg. People will blatantly cheat. Ridiculous.

^^^ Thanks for posting the article link, looks like this is the wave of the future

I love it.

This 100%. When studying, why wouldn't you want to at least explore the output for 1 minute minimum anyway? studying the spot and just blinking once at the output then a new hand does nothing for the user. I don't see any reason to not have a delay. They have the best software available, how much business will they lose if they add the 60 sec delay?

Their current tool raises the big problem of public access to AI RTA. They have a questionable and inaccurate checking tool, Then, this also requires the sites to collaborate with them (free or a fee?) to catch these guys.

Alternatively, 60 second delay would solve a lot of the problem.

gvision is simply one product out of countless that already exist or are in development. Like the botting community, there's a whole RTA community that's sprung up with forums, private discords, etc.

They just openly treat it like it's the new HUD. As if there's nothing wrong with it at all.

GTOWizard will cover PLO by the 2nd quarter of 2024. Further, RunItOnce has had a PLO solver and trainer out for ages, called GTOVision. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube on this one. What we really need is what you guys are pointing toward - timing delays and lockouts when performing searches in real time. On the tables, shorter time banks and more games with antes, mandatory straddles, 7-2 bonuses, bad beat jackpots, bomb pots, etc.

Time to pull the money off all poker sites unless you are a cheater. ACR traffic has went way up lately, probably all the cheaters getting banned at other sites.

No a simple delay will suffice. No need to ruin online poker with all that other crap. Keep nonsense like the 7-2 deuce game in the live realm

What about antes in cash games? Bomb pots? That should be ok for online, no?

sure and actually pretty much anything is ok so long as traditional holdem doesn't disappear. Even that would be ok if players just stop playing it. I just dont want operators to pull it in favor of these other games. Really don't have a problem with a world where both exist

Why would anyone even play online poker when GTO Wizard is available to everyone and can be used to make even a beginner a perfect player? When you are playing online how can you know if one or more of your opponents are using GTO Wizard sometime during play to get a huge and unfair advantage? They even say right in their ad to use it to "...significantly boost your winrate!"