Thats for the investor to decide

LOL at a former ME champ telling everyone he has a high skill level. Dude...you got a rush of cards 10 years go. Get over yourself, just saying.

Greg i assume you don't play online at all (legality issues i guess if answer is no/ can always practice euro sites) you can also play his yearly sched in a week. do you run sims ?/ in the lab ?/ poker programs/tools ??.. Where's your edges ? phil ivey effect @ table ? live reads ???.. I hope Varkonyi / furlong / gold / yang don't get any ideas ..

so much hate, looks a like like jealousy

Also it should be on YOU to post math why your deal is +ev and by how much (based on your estimates). you are making an offer you claim to be good for investors/+ev so surely you've done some math which suggests how much ev/roi investors could expect?
otherwise you are just saying "I'm a good player I think this is probably a good investment!"
anyone who lists a package or tournament in the marketplace should at least be able to give an estimate of their roi upon request. obviously people may disagree with the assumptions like I'm sure some will with yours.

simply put, as a potential investor of your offer, how much ev or roi would one expect in the long run based on the events you expect to play? you should have already thought of this or did some math, but I guess you haven't.

anyway, doesn't matter how much "hate" there is, you will probably sell out due to being well known and because people don't know better. you are a main event champion, I don't blame you for enjoying some of the perks that come with that.

lol at the jealous neck beard haters. Something the +EV obsessed can't even comprehend, maybe he's getting a lot of backing because he's a good guy who fans/people want to have a peice of as much for the rail as it being profitable

Disdainfully Bringing up the hooker sting is lame as well. Some of us like to have sex with hot women. Sorry that bothers u gheys/virgins

UL Greg

This is kind of a dumb attitude. In most markets for investments the issuer is required to make certain disclosures and can be punished or sued if he misrepresents the profitability of the investment. In poker staking there aren't such investor protections and so it's good for people to discuss the quality of staking investments in order to protect potential investors.

[QUOTE=Greg (FossilMan);49018464] stop throwing random nonsense personal insults.. and show some of your math, or if you don't want to at least tell us (including potential investors) what roi you think investors can expect on average based on your expected schedule?
if you post a specific schedule, then ppl can do some math, go ahead? I mean I'm sure you think your roi is much higher than anyone else but fans but you know, maybe I should learn how to read zzzz

yes sure we can play heads up, 100pc no troll, I wouldn't have said anything like this as your package has nothing to do with my skill but since you mentioned it, online or live NL feel free to follow through

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...27/index6.html

So, sounds like the fossil-man has fossil-ized?

2014: -70% ROI?
2015: ____ ?
2016: ???

Another "nugget":
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...offer-1503783/

and, this:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...83/index2.html

the final word?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...83/index2.html

The fairest way to determine markup is to have a biding process not only can he most likely get what hes asking or close to but he doesnt come off as greedy.

I would never mention the hooker stuff and think its massively distasteful and irrelevant. but him being a good guy has nothing to do with what most of the serious critics are saying which is the package is just not +ev, successful respected players have offered the shares at a discount already aka shorted so they are putting money where mouth is.
greg is clearly claiming the package is a good buy, so the "I'm a good guy, ppl wanna support me" argument doesn't cut it

it's not going well, huh Greg?

can't do that when you still 40k to your other backers.

ignorant comment. From what i remember, always when i watched raymer play whether it be online on stars or live i thought he was playing well. Not judging this package though, opinions on that arent really important, thats for potential investors to decide. But people making random judgements about others when they have no clue is annoying

I've got nothing against Greg and happen to think he is a very solid MTT player from what I've seen.

That said, I would never invest in a package that offers so much freedom to the player and allows them to control the ABI and sample seemingly at their whim.

btw if you wanted to offer that HU game w me perhaps your investors would put it on the staking deal, that'll make it even better value obviously

for the record I never said you were a bad player before or now, so you shouldn't be so offended by my comments which are criticising the package for the set up not your skill

JMo

Fact is he busted the same stake last year.

Nothing personal against greg and I'm happy he disclosed this in the marketplace i think its a **** effort not to include that info on the fundagoose site or whatever its called. Again i just dont think the package is transparent enough

I do however wish Greg and his investors (which I'm sure he will get) luck and hope he can show a profit.

Edit: greg also coming accross at a bit of a douche stating no one has the right to judge him unless they have played with him. Youve posted a package (some would say terrible) in an open forum and your results are freely accessible. I get you're probably pissed off with some of the hate and rightly so put its all par for the course and you should be smart enough to know that. Also agree with OMGClayDol that the onus is on him to prove results if he wants to sell successfully n an educated marketplace (and not just dismiss everyone as uneducated) but again Greg should be smart enough to know this also

All the best anyway

btw ppl have to stop saying if you think it's a bad offer, just don't buy. it's very common to discuss publicly bad offers, this protects buyers who don't know better from potentially making bad buys as well as educating sellers who may not know better. accusing intent of deception is obviously a different issue but by no means should ppl be stopped from making completely valid questions or comments, discussion is good for an open market.

I even said I think he most likely thinks it's a +ev deal, so he isn't intentionally offering a bad one. and I think he is a trustworthy guy most likely etc

it's obviously out of line to insult his personal looks or family issues tho, which I never did

Not surprising, first thing that comes out on google for Jason Mo.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-dwan-1276217/

Shots fired

Edit: fixed quote was showing wrong poster for some reason

Well guess what that doesnt apply here so its dumb for you to keep making the same point regurgitated 6 times over as if going to change anything.

LOL you realize ESPN highly edits there broadcasts right? A couple cherry picked videos of Raymer winning/getting lucky means nothing.

I'll stick to my original point. The guy won 7 million but how much did he spend on buy ins? must be a boat load.

No. But you climbed all over the chance to challenge him HU when he was obviously joking, a game u no doubt have a massive experience advantage in. So swinging your poker dick around like that put you squarely on the douchey side of those who did mention those things. Pretty sure you can see that hence your last paragraph

CarryCakes spewing the truth for years.

Too much hate here

If Greg is able to parlay his name and overall good standing as honest guy into better than normal staking deal then so be it. Good for him.

Bunch of jelly ITT .

But Greg, with your years of experience on 2+2, you had to know debating with a few of these NVG peeps was futile , regardless of merits of debate .

You've always been a great ambassador for the game. Happy new year and Good luck in 2016.