When women ( including movie stars ) get into their late 20's and early 30's, four things unfortunately start to happen :

1. They gain weight and don't age well ( sometimes a lot of weight ) and can not sexually arouse a man who is naturally aroused by physical attributes.

2. Their hormones change ( especially if they already have children ) and this turns them off to sex

3. They don't want to take the chance of having more kids ( if they are pre-menopausal ) and don't want to take birth control pills due to health reasons.

4. The are usually working full or part time and are too tired to have sex which requires a lot of energy and calories.

End result......men ( lawyers, doctors, preachers, carpenters, priests, rabbis, truck drivers, poker players, carpenters....etc etc go to prostitutes...which eventually results in divorce, even in couples who have been married for 30 to 40 years. Sorry folks,,,,but that's reality.

There have been a few comments, only heard him reply to one. A player said, "Didn't think you'd show up, heard you had a....thing."

Raymer replied something to the effect of, life goes on...have to get through the hard times.

Another shouted from a table away, "Dude, if you need a life adviser or handler, I'm down."

If you look at the Youtube video of the 2004 ME final hand when Raymer won, you can see that his wife looked about the same (or may actually have lost some weight since then, not sure). Of course, Greg also has a weight problem, so he is not much motivational help to his wife. But I agree with your comments.

This whole time I thought it was the men's fault for getting married but when you put it that way I guess it really is the women's fault.

You seriously think that 20% of random men in a big city would know who Raymer is by just showing a photo that has no connection to poker. ESPN TV ratings for the WSOP is about 1 million viewers per show.

So what? Must be shocking news to you amis. Do something about your stupid laws, guys.

If you thought that, you are a woman.

First, I said aged 18-49 (maybe I should have said those who were 18 in 2004 when he won the ME). Also, I didn't say "just showing a photo that has no connection to poker."

Yeah, 1 million per show, but they rerun the same show about 25 times.

Eugene Robinson, on the 1998 Atlanta Falcons, the night before the Super Bowl, garnered plenty of publicity and ridicule.

He was ridiculed mainly for giving up a 80-yard touchdown reception and a long run in the Falcons loss. Most attributed his poor play to him being up all night due to the incident.

raymer solicited a prostitute, but the thread got aids

snitches get stitches this hotel should. just offering rooms to police is bad enough , they prob had to burn the sheets after the dirty , sleezy cops left. you cant get that police smell out they say.

In Holland we have a major issue with 'loverboys'. These are pimps who impress young and/or troubled girls with cash, gifts nice cars, jewelry. They make the girls love them and then they isolate them from their family and friends. Next step is to let them **** with friends of him to lower the threshold for the next step. Then the loverboys start complaining about being cash short to the victim and they put them behind a window(make them sex for $). This process is told simplified but this basically what happens. Sometimes you see these pimps around schools, and youth institutions for troubled kids waiting in nice cars to see if they can pick some mentally disturbed girl(very sick). These girls have a hard time getting back in to society and even if they are 'free' or their pimp is in jail or something, they prostitute from time to time because they don't have any skills/confidence to land a job. They are also used to getting fast money.

Some pimps are ruthless and make these girls work 18 hours a day, everyday of the week. They might be free on their birthday. The police has a 'prostitution' department and they basically know everybody and evertything(the hookers and the pimps). Sometimes they have talks with these girls and they often drive by. It is hard to put these pimps and loverboys behind bars because they need proof, it is hard to testify for the girls because they bring their family and live in danger and are heavily manipulated. It is not only the girls that are getting traumatized, but whole families.

Some girls obvious don't care and just want to hooker and it is the only thing they know or want to know. But there are a lot who are just('mentally') enslaved and cant get back into society.

In the Netherlands we have also a lot of girls from Eastern Europe and Dominicans., but i dont know their general story; how they came here, their background or similar..

I definitely think the police is doing a good job, they do whatever in their power to protect these girls and try to help them but as you can imagine it is really hard to help these people.

And what exactly to you expect a person to do to feed a drug habit? Work in Tescos? Hmm let me think, clean toilets for 8 hours a day for 10% of the money I could earn for a couple of hours laid on my back thinking of England and working when I choose...it's a tough one.

Erm, did you read my post - I talk about the argument that prostitution should be legal and regulated to reduce exploitation. It often is not a simple case of a transaction taking place between two consenting adults - it very often involves extremely vulnerable women or women who are forcibly being made to be prostitutes, which in UK law means that sex with these women is rape, regardless of whether prostitution is legal (it is legal in UK, although many activities surrounding it are not)

My other point was that there are moral issues that are separate to what the law says. I don't really know why you wrote that long post directed to me - I don't believe that prostitution should be illegal but neither do I believe that men should kid themselves that a large proportion of women who have sex for money do so for any reason other than being forced to or due to desperate life situations.

Sounds like you have it all figured out, wtf.....

'nuff said

Agreed but for the 12 hours or so before this his face was plastered all over the sports and news programs for getting arrested for solicitation. His horrible game made it a toss up as to which topic was more worthy of discussion after that.

Maybe we are just talking around each other.

It seemed to me that you were asserting that if the prostitute comes to prostitution because he or she is from desperate circumstances that somehow makes the transaction coercive. I attempted to point out in response that many (probably most) people engage in economic activity they otherwise would not do in order to improve or cope with desperate economic circumstances. I simply do not think such a transaction is any more or less coercive when it involves sex than when it involves any number of other things.

If, OTOH, you were just trying to explain to some members of NVG that the vast majority of prostitutes do not erotically desire to have sex with their customers, well ... duh

Skallagrim

We disagree about a few things then, but whatever. Thread is quickly becoming pretty boring.

please never post again

Greg in the thread

No, it doesn't. You're thinking of quotation marks.

As this thread follows a familiar pattern with no new news, it devolves into members trolling and insulting each other, we are getting close to the point it has to be closed.

If folks don't dial back on your inner troll, this will happen quite soon.

While I agree with a lot of what Salligrim is writing, I do think there is a huge differnce between someone working as a janitor and a young poor woman being forced into sex slavery. It's a continum right? From the independant prostitute who absolutely chooses to hook for the money with no pimp, to the worst case senario, some poor villager from cluster**** India whose father sold her into a sex trafficing ring to buy some food or land or to pay a debt. I agree totally that legalizing prostitution would probably make it a whole lot easier to tell what is what with any particular hooker and that is the right thing to do. I think in Holland the government has contact with the hookers to be sure they are safe and not being "prostituted" by others.