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Greg Merson calls out Bobby Bellande & Aria Greg Merson calls out Bobby Bellande & Aria

11-01-2016 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MagikarpFTW
In think in the Joey-pod Haralabob said they'd fill the waitlist with some random people who each have 30min to show up to prevent unwanted players from entering the game.
I know a guy who rarely plays in vegas. He was playing at Bobbys and an action player wanted to go to Aria, so he drives over, gets on the top of the list. The action player shows up followed by a flood of regulars. When they try to start the game the regs demand they draw cards to see who gets seats, he's like what about the list? They say at Aria when everyone arrives at roughly the same time we draw cards for seats.

A couple days later action player wants to go over to the Aria again, so my friend goes over. This time he gets there right after everyone and is at the bottom of the list. The players ahead of him take seats and my friend says aren't we drawing cards? And the regs say, why would we draw cards? We have a list.

Greg Merson needs to learn that your experience at the Aria will improve dramatically when you tip the floor a couple hundred a day.
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11-01-2016 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
He comes across as a friendly bloke that you want to spend time with as he entertains the players around him by engaging in good-natured conversation interspersed with amusing anecdotes.

Or you can just wear your glasses, hoodies, and headphones and whine about why rich guys have not chosen you as someone they want to spend a night playing poker with. If they know deep down that they are going to end up net losers, common sense says they at least want the most entertainment and fun they can get playing poker for that expense (and also feel good about the people to whom they are losing their money).
This. If you commonly wear glasses and hoodie at the table, you aren't training to play high stakes games. It's social party for rich men, so you should be responsive and be able to carry entertaining and non-offensive conversations.

And you should learn mix games.
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11-01-2016 , 01:57 PM
Greg, they don't want you in their games. Show some maturity and deal with it.
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11-01-2016 , 02:05 PM
Yup, read DGAF's excellent "a poker story" thread in the medium-high-stakes forums. He talks about how you can be net good for the game even though you are winning, because of the entertainment value and good vibes you provide for the game. He's willing to give up some EV by drinking alcohol, doing flips, making high variance plays and he also has a great personality.

You want to make it big in live poker, you gotta be this kind of guy. Also you are doing a public service and helping secure the poker ecosystem by actually doing your job of being an entertainer.
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11-01-2016 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
how is it that bumhunting is so frowned upon online and so glorified live?
It all starts with the fact that players in those live games don't call action players "bum" or "fish" but provide them with a fun environment where they are able to have a good time while gambling away their money.

One of the reasons why high stakes online games are dying is that most regulars don't even try to disguise what they are doing. If action players don't have a good time, they won't be back. Therefore people like JRB bend the rules to make sure no net negative players get into the games.
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11-01-2016 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Yeah I thought this was years ago. JRB and some of his regs didn't want Merson in their game even though casino games in LV are supposed to be "open to the public."
Yes, that is technically true. That is why the high-limit rooms of the casinos that appear to be roped off are "open to the public." Although I am sure they also have the "right to refuse service" which is broad as long as there is no discrimination involved in their ruling.
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11-01-2016 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pilliapina
Yup, read DGAF's excellent "a poker story" thread in the medium-high-stakes forums. He talks about how you can be net good for the game even though you are winning, because of the entertainment value and good vibes you provide for the game. He's willing to give up some EV by drinking alcohol, doing flips, making high variance plays and he also has a great personality.

You want to make it big in live poker, you gotta be this kind of guy. Also you are doing a public service and helping secure the poker ecosystem by actually doing your job of being an entertainer.
this is why the term "fun player" isnt GTO. strong, winning players can and should be fun players too
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11-01-2016 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
It all starts with the fact that players in those live games don't call action players "bum" or "fish" but provide them with a fun environment where they are able to have a good time while gambling away their money.
yeah, online bumhunters do that too, most of them go out of their way to chat up their opponents and be nice. About not calling marks "fish", you're like 5 years too late, everybody's using "recreational" for a long time now.

As for predatory feel that scripts give, isn't waitlist blocking exactly the same? Also, bumhunting online was frowned upon long before seating scripts.
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11-01-2016 , 04:10 PM
Didn't read all the replies, but isn't Tommy Gun a porn star?
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11-01-2016 , 04:12 PM
Does JRB derive any sort of compensation from any players for "hosting" game and acting as gatekeeper for lineup?
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11-01-2016 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Does JRB derive any sort of compensation from any players for "hosting" game and acting as gatekeeper for lineup?
He is actually an employee of Aria/MGM unless that has changed in the recent past. His job is to rep the poker room and host big games in Ivey's room. I assume he was hired because of his "stardom" and he is a great host for the whale's.
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11-01-2016 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by psychosocial
Didn't read all the replies, but isn't Tommy Gun a porn star?
Also Tommy Morrison's character in Rocky V
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11-01-2016 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by psychosocial
Didn't read all the replies, but isn't Tommy Gun a porn star?
Yeah I think so. Didn't he have a cameo on Entourage?
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11-01-2016 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
He comes across as a friendly bloke that you want to spend time with as he entertains the players around him by engaging in good-natured conversation interspersed with amusing anecdotes.

Or you can just wear your glasses, hoodies, and headphones and whine about why rich guys have not chosen you as someone they want to spend a night playing poker with. If they know deep down that they are going to end up net losers, common sense says they at least want the most entertainment and fun they can get playing poker for that expense (and also feel good about the people to whom they are losing their money).

This is a level right? You honestly think that successfull rich people want to spend time with JRB and view him as pinacle of entertainment..LOL
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11-01-2016 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
It all starts with the fact that players in those live games don't call action players "bum" or "fish" but provide them with a fun environment where they are able to have a good time while gambling away their money.

One of the reasons why high stakes online games are dying is that most regulars don't even try to disguise what they are doing. If action players don't have a good time, they won't be back. Therefore people like JRB bend the rules to make sure no net negative players get into the games.
Not giving people very much credit thinking this, u dont think all the "fish" in these games realize they're spots in the game? Online just isn't as much fun, These guys probably realize they are going to lose a lot less per hour live, and have a lot more fun socializing etc.
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11-01-2016 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
yeah, online bumhunters do that too, most of them go out of their way to chat up their opponents and be nice. About not calling marks "fish", you're like 5 years too late, everybody's using "recreational" for a long time now.

As for predatory feel that scripts give, isn't waitlist blocking exactly the same? Also, bumhunting online was frowned upon long before seating scripts.
I think 90% of the people who criticized bumhunting in general were and are clueless. Most actual pros realize they are hypocrites and all do it to some degree. The over the top bumhunting is what all the scorn was directed at, HU players refusing to even post a blind vs someone with a pulse, 6M guys shamelessly sitting out then right back in when the fish took a break, etc.
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11-01-2016 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
how is it that bumhunting is so frowned upon online and so glorified live? is it because every single live player is a bumhunter?
It is a lot less predatory for one. Not saying that it should be glorified (i don't really think it is, they are saying it in a negative light itt)
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11-01-2016 , 07:11 PM
Greg played some 25/50 nl at Bellagio over the summer, and while he didn't wear a hoodie or glasses, he never spoke a word. Same for his buddy Anthony Gregg. Not hating at all, seemed like an ok guy but just never talked, and people here are right, if you want to be invited or in the txt message circles of the big games you need a personality and to "fit" in their world. The Bobby's room guys live in a different world than the rest of us, and if you don't fit in you're excluded from the club
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11-01-2016 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LVpokerPRO
Greg played some 25/50 nl at Bellagio over the summer, and while he didn't wear a hoodie or glasses, he never spoke a word. Same for his buddy Anthony Gregg. Not hating at all, seemed like an ok guy but just never talked, and people here are right, if you want to be invited or in the txt message circles of the big games you need a personality and to "fit" in their world. The Bobby's room guys live in a different world than the rest of us, and if you don't fit in you're excluded from the club
ya, i don't get why someone feels they have some god given right to play in a poker game. Technically all games are open in a casino but the casino wants to keep the rich recreational players happy.

Rich businessmen don't want to play with the typical quiet internet grinders. I'm sure there are some younger fun players that get in that game, Merson just doesn't happen to be one of those types.

No biggie, I'm sure he can find 100's of other games in Vegas to play in.
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11-01-2016 , 08:32 PM
The Aria is breaking the law. The Gaming commission should be notified. Its not a home game.
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11-01-2016 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LVpokerPRO
Greg played some 25/50 nl at Bellagio over the summer, and while he didn't wear a hoodie or glasses, he never spoke a word. Same for his buddy Anthony Gregg. Not hating at all, seemed like an ok guy but just never talked, and people here are right, if you want to be invited or in the txt message circles of the big games you need a personality and to "fit" in their world. The Bobby's room guys live in a different world than the rest of us, and if you don't fit in you're excluded from the club
You could be the chattiest most friendly pro in the world they aren't going to let you play unless you offer something else to the game (bringing fish, loaning money, putting up bail, backing JRB etc).

The game is pretty much a closed circle. If you are a good poker player don't expect to play too much.
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11-01-2016 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
This is a level right? You honestly think that successfull rich people want to spend time with JRB and view him as pinacle of entertainment..LOL
If they have a choice between "survivor" JRB and some sour anti-social pro with no personality or life stories outside of poker, JRB gets chosen every time. I bet most don't even mind losing to JRB, but would hate to see their money in the hands of a pro that they don't like and added nothing to their entertainment.

Why is this not obvious to you?
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11-01-2016 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by coltranedog
You could be the chattiest most friendly pro in the world they aren't going to let you play unless you offer something else to the game (bringing fish, loaning money, putting up bail, backing JRB etc).

The game is pretty much a closed circle. If you are a good poker player don't expect to play too much.
Yes, you're correct in terms of Aria game which is way more closed off than sitting in Bobby's room with their regs. They will let anyone play that can pony up the buyin. Aria seems more closed off than Bobby's room.

Also, ftr you're the type of guy they want in games. Give action, have a personality and you give out basketball winners at the table
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11-01-2016 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fayth
it's not part of the game though, it has nothing to do with the game, it's a different thing entirely
It has everything to do with the game. And the higher up you go the more it matters.In many cases it's more important than your play at the table.
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11-01-2016 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by smsp
The Aria is breaking the law. The Gaming commission should be notified. Its not a home game.
A couple years ago when Greg Merson brought up that topic for the first time, there was a lot of legal / gaming commission talk. Looks like the Aria isn't breaking any rules, because they don't prevent anyone from putting their name on the waitlist. How they handle the wait list and if everybody occupying a spot at the table is playing any hands, is a different story. But apparently they figured out how to handle the situation without violating any gaming laws.
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