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07-21-2023 , 11:11 AM
Is this the greatest Hand in Poker history:



Accept PLO as your lord and savior of poker.
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07-21-2023 , 12:18 PM
HCL should give Professor tenure
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07-21-2023 , 12:23 PM
Not sure about best ever, but it was certainly entertaining lol!

Side Note: I used to play 25/50 PLO on Party Poker back in the day and I saw a player win a 55K pot with J high on a 3 way all in after the flop. All 3 had big wraps, flush draws, str8 flush draws, etc and board completely bricked out. It was over 15 years ago, but it was something like:

Winner: Jc 10c 9x 8x
Loser1: 2x 3x 4c 5c
Loser 2: 4x 5x 8c 9c

Flop: Ah 6c 7c

They got all in after flop and turn & river were blanks, non club face cards I believe.
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07-21-2023 , 12:31 PM
hahhaha that's awesome.
pretty good trips to have actually- but I wouldn't want to bloat the pot preflop so I could actually use the blockers but this is way more entertaining.
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07-21-2023 , 02:04 PM
Great hand but man he makes me want to blow my brains out (not literally..).

Would be great if he could keep the "THAT'S ME" to only cards where it's actually him, and maybe vary the pitch of the sound a bit or something. He's like tinnitus or an evil parrot now
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07-21-2023 , 02:36 PM
Amazing hand, thanks for posting this
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07-21-2023 , 02:39 PM
I was watching this.

The professor ended the session down half a million.

Does anybody know what Nik Airball's story is? Is he a pro or a recreational?

He was playing incredibly tight.

Tom Dwan the best player at the table. He's just an amazing live player. The gamble he has is incredible to watch.
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07-21-2023 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximus122
Tom Dwan the best player at the table. He's just an amazing live player. The gamble he has is incredible to watch.
At first glance, I thought Tom had somehow become a whale at PLO over the years (not 100% sure how good he was pre BF, but I think he was at least competent?). Now, however, I think Tom is simply giving reckless action when pots are small to keep the game fun for the real whales, but when the pot gets big he seems to be playing pretty tight. This is a great practice for a game host and anybody that wants live whales to continue playing in the game.
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07-21-2023 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Great hand but man he makes me want to blow my brains out (not literally..).

Would be great if he could keep the "THAT'S ME" to only cards where it's actually him, and maybe vary the pitch of the sound a bit or something. He's like tinnitus or an evil parrot now
Okay, glad to know I'm not the only one who felt all of this while watching. If I had been thinking out loud, my office neighbor would have heard "Okay, what am I watching... interesting starting hand... wow nice call hahahaha this is hilari- wait, no, stop talking... please shut the F up... stop saying 'dats meee dats meee'... NO REALLY SHUT THE F UP... DAFUQ IS 'SCOOPAH SCOOPAH'... YOU... MUST... STOP... TALKING..." Then smash that mute button.

But seriously, fun hand. And on a sort of cool note, this illustrates the equities in PLO that Dwan, not Professor, was the massive favorite on the flop.
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07-21-2023 , 03:40 PM
One of the craziest games on HCL so far. Had it on in the background and every time I looked over there was a 150k+ hand happening.
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07-21-2023 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
At first glance, I thought Tom had somehow become a whale at PLO over the years (not 100% sure how good he was pre BF, but I think he was at least competent?). Now, however, I think Tom is simply giving reckless action when pots are small to keep the game fun for the real whales, but when the pot gets big he seems to be playing pretty tight. This is a great practice for a game host and anybody that wants live whales to continue playing in the game.
This is exactly how he's playing and how he skews the VPIP to make it seem like he's a reckless maniac, when in reality there's a method to his madness. For example , if a whale ships all in for 30k and the pot is now 90k, even if dawn has nothing but back doors and knows he's not getting the right price to call (but the price is close) he will call to gamble to give the whales the illusion that he's reckless. But in reality he's robbing them blind in monster pots. Dwan really knows how to cater to whales, it's a trait that many professionals can't master. I imagine Dwan has decades of experience fleecing whales.
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07-21-2023 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
At first glance, I thought Tom had somehow become a whale at PLO over the years (not 100% sure how good he was pre BF, but I think he was at least competent?). Now, however, I think Tom is simply giving reckless action when pots are small to keep the game fun for the real whales, but when the pot gets big he seems to be playing pretty tight. This is a great practice for a game host and anybody that wants live whales to continue playing in the game.
You might be giving dwan a little too much credit, but the main point of your post is largely correct. This is something that gets completely overlooked by really good PLO players who play "correct". The absolute juciest plo games are pretty much private like this one, and if you actually play well all the time there's a 0% chance you get invited. You kinda have to punt in some capacity to make people thing you are splashy. The way to do it is by gambling in smaller pots with the fish with trashier hands. Once the pots/stacks get bigger if you do that youll get absolutely rinsed, so youll see the really good players play a more "correct" strategy in the bigger pots/deeper stacks.
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07-22-2023 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
At first glance, I thought Tom had somehow become a whale at PLO over the years (not 100% sure how good he was pre BF, but I think he was at least competent?). Now, however, I think Tom is simply giving reckless action when pots are small to keep the game fun for the real whales, but when the pot gets big he seems to be playing pretty tight. This is a great practice for a game host and anybody that wants live whales to continue playing in the game.
He's definitely capable of playing some godawful PLO


Last edited by wilhelmraspe; 07-22-2023 at 02:48 AM.
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07-22-2023 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DuckSauce
You might be giving dwan a little too much credit, but the main point of your post is largely correct. This is something that gets completely overlooked by really good PLO players who play "correct". The absolute juciest plo games are pretty much private like this one, and if you actually play well all the time there's a 0% chance you get invited. You kinda have to punt in some capacity to make people thing you are splashy. The way to do it is by gambling in smaller pots with the fish with trashier hands. Once the pots/stacks get bigger if you do that youll get absolutely rinsed, so youll see the really good players play a more "correct" strategy in the bigger pots/deeper stacks.
That is poker in general. There are NL games that only players whom are willing gamble are accepted in. In these cases, a player's ability to relate and connect with the other players is far more important than their poker skill.

The ability to find and play in games with whales who are willing to lose lots of money is far more important than actual poker skill in thr long run.
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07-22-2023 , 04:22 AM
he's both capable of playing terribly at points (triton clip) but also generally giving action and playing well enough to crush the game
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07-22-2023 , 06:21 AM
the last two streams i've had to turn it off almost instantly because when i press play, the first thing i hear is "THAT'S ME" and "I CANT BREATH"

I dont know why but its like scratching a chalk board with nails and thats literally the first thing i heard when i pressed play the last 2 streams so yah..

really annoying.
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07-22-2023 , 07:35 AM
That isn't even the best Dwan vs The Professor hand

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31j8l5
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07-22-2023 , 08:08 PM
The greatest hand in poker history is the Raymond Romano hand.
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07-22-2023 , 08:22 PM
greatest hand in poker history has to be the first one ever dealt.
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07-22-2023 , 08:43 PM
I don't know what yall are on about, love the professor.

You guys play erryday?

Is the best needle I've heard in a long time.
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07-22-2023 , 08:48 PM
saved this one from here many years ago, not my creation, can't recall who made it.

The Doomswitch in action.

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07-22-2023 , 08:52 PM
Love PLO. Hate that stream and really one of the lamest hands. So no.
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07-23-2023 , 11:31 AM
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That isn't even the best Dwan vs The Professor hand

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31j8l5
the look on howards face seeing the 86 is priceless.
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07-24-2023 , 12:27 AM
This is from our book A History of The World from A Gambler’s Perspective which I co-wrote with Antonio Carrasco. It's the story of by far the most important poker hand ever played.

The Most Important Hand Ever Played

How Union General William T. Sherman Used Poker to Defeat His Opponent


For this chapter the authors would like to recognize the book Never Call Retreat by Bruce Catton.

One of the more common themes you’ll find in some of today’s poker literature are articles that describe poker hands. Sometimes these are instructive in nature, and sometimes they are just describing a dramatic situation, especially an important hand played late in a tournament where much money was at stake.

In fact, a few of these articles have been written by Mason, and we enjoy reading many of them, and many poker players do as well. They are informative, in many instances illustrate the dramatics and complexities of poker, and help to explain why this wonderful game keeps so many of us occupied to some degree.

But it turns out that among all the poker hands ever played and written about, there is one particular hand whose importance is probably far more significant than all other poker hands ever played put together. Now that’s a mouthful, and the real shame is that most people don’t know anything about it. Of course, this chapter will soon correct this.

First, some background. The year was 1864 and the United States Civil War was nearing its climax. Even though the North was winning, it was not winning by enough to assure that the war would end with a favorable conclusion for the Union side. As we’ve already seen, the Confederate Army led by Robert E. Lee in Northern Virginia had frustrated all Northern attempts to capture the city of Richmond, and the price the North would have to pay for total victory seemed too great for many people, and the number of casualties, on both sides, was incredibly high. This meant that there was a good chance that Lincoln would not be reelected, and that his political opponent, General George B. McClellan, would be the new president in 1865. There was also much speculation that McClellan would end the killing and was willing to divide the United States into two countries.

However, the war in the West had gone much better for the North. The Confederacy had been split in two with the capture of Vicksburg, and they had a large army in Northern Georgia that was headed towards Atlanta. But there were still problems, and The Confederate Army of Tennessee was in its way.

This army also had a new commander, General Joseph E. Johnston, an extraordinary defensive tactician. Johnston understood that as long as his army survived, the Southern nation would survive, and didn’t want to fight unless he had a clear advantage. Thus, a war of maneuver began where the two armies “danced” their way towards the city of Atlanta with Johnston constantly retreating to a new and strong defensive position which he had prepared in advance.

Some military historians think that Johnston was actually winning as he retreated, and Johnston claimed that in the constant skirmishes that took place between the two armies, his side was doing much better.

In addition, Johnston knew what might happen in the election of 1864. If he could hold out against William T. Sherman, the Union Commander in Northern Georgia, and not allow him that ultimate victory the North so badly needed, then Lincoln might be defeated at the polls. This was literally the best chance the South had.

Unfortunately for Johnston, Jefferson Davis, the Confederate President, did not see things quite the same way. Davis wanted the invader brought to battle and defeated. So, at the outskirts of Atlanta, Johnston was relieved of his command and was replaced by the aggressive and courageous fighter General John B. Hood

Now you might be wondering what all of this has to do with a poker hand. Well, a curious event now occurred. Sherman apparently didn’t know much about Hood. So, he put a call out in his army asking for any information about his new opponent, And one of Sherman’s subordinates, a Kentucky colonel, whose name we have never seen, related a story to his commander about Hood playing in a poker game many years before the Civil War began. Apparently, Hood had bet $2,500, a very large sum in those days, with “nary a pair in his hand.” Sherman immediately understood what this meant. Instead of being against a defensive tactician who was forcing him to fight a war of maneuver and often at a disadvantage, the Union Army should now brace itself for an attack. Sherman correctly assumed that someone’s aggressive tendencies were as likely to show up on the battlefield as they were at the poker table. Sherman now knew that he was against a fighter, not a tactician.

In fact, if his army was still on maneuver and was hit directly in the “side,” the Confederates could punch a hole in his lines, separate his forces, and perhaps even defeat the whole Union cause. The dance was now over, and large bets would be made.

As suspected, the attack came soon. And after several vicious battles, including the Battle of Atlanta, Sherman, who had correctly predicted his opponent’s intention all because of a poker game held many years before, achieved the decisive victory that the North and President Lincoln so badly needed, and the City of Atlanta was “fairly won.”

So, how important was this poker hand? Well, if it hadn’t been played, there might not be a United States as we know it, and all of world history might have been different. Also, don’t let anyone ever tell you that poker isn’t important, or that they just played a hand of a lifetime. The results can’t compare to that hand played many years ago.

Finally, a few things that we don’t know, and which should be of interest to those of you who are poker players:

1. We don’t know what form of poker Hood was playing. Our guess would be some form of no-limit draw poker since draw poker was the most widely played form of poker at that time. But that doesn’t have to be the case.

2. We don’t know if Hood was caught bluffing or showed the hand after raking in a big pot.

3. We don’t know if this was a well thought out play on Hood’s part or whether he was just “steaming.”*

4. We have no idea as to how good a poker player Hood might have been. But we do suspect that Union General Sherman, like Confederate General Robert E. Lee, would have been very good if he ever sat at the poker table.

So, there you have it, the most important poker hand ever played. It’s impact on history was quite significant, and as stated previously, no other hand of poker can compare with the results it eventually had. And that’s an interesting aspect of poker. Remember the “meta-game” where we mentioned how the play of a poker hand can affect the play of a future poker hand. Well, here was an example of how the play of a poker hand affected the battlefield years later in an unanticipated way, and also had an impact on history.

* Steaming is a term that poker players sometimes use to describe a player who gets emotionally upset and begins to play poorly. A player who is steaming is also said to be “on tilt.”

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For those interested here's the Amazon link to our book:

https://www.amazon.com/History-World...%2C130&sr=1-12

Mason
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07-25-2023 , 03:18 AM
Great story Mason, thanks
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