Grazvis fell prey to a ridiculous scam. How did he handle it well? By asking for his money back politely from the guy he roped into being scammed as well? Grazvis's gullibility cost someone else $10k. I don't consider that "handling it well".

We both with James fell prey to a ridiculous scam.

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James had a contract in a specific Skype chat group with Grazvydas, where there's only 1 Grazvydas.

And after this have happened, and me being less experienced in how these scams work, I was trying to figure out what have happened in the main chat, being polite all the time and not forcing any blame on anyone. Where James and a few others that were participating in that chat seemed to have a "mob" mentality and immediately forced a blame on me "no questions asked".

After which he also choose to write a lie in PM "and then you have deleted a bunch of content from the conversation". Where I did not deleted 1 message.

Even his this response, where he is saying that he settled with me for 10k, was posted before I could even respond to him in PM.

This is a rediculous take because James didn’t even follow the protocol himself, he didn’t video call the scammer. Not sure how G could be solely at blame. If james did his video call, and still sent to the scammer then ya probably a different story.

But he didn’t even do the thing he’s lambasting G for not doing. Not sure how that’s defendable

Glad this has been settled, and hopefully is a turning point in the community that not one player will fall for this scam again in future, and people will do proper verification in future. Whether 50/50 is the correct split or not i don't know who should be paid what % but from james blunt and seemingly out of nowhere reply i imagine it was not so much pressure and opinions from this thread, but more likely experienced traders outside who let James know that he would be wrong to not pay back anything. I am definitly glad he wasn't able to bully grazvidas though into not trying to stake his claim and make this public as that was clearly his intention from the start as if he really felt it was fairly arbitrated in the chat what was to happen, then he should stick with that and believe fully that he has no liability to pay money back.

Okay Karen...

Can't believe the JR guy got bullied into sending.

He has to be taking some vig on these trades right?

Otherwise why would you possibly pay here? Completely other guy's fault he got MITM'ed, not yours.

I don't agree that he should get 100%, but I do think JR has >50% blame in this situation, and he ABSOLUTELY should apologize to OP.

So ridiculous for you clowns to say "be happy with the 10k and move on". Lol, be happy that you got what you should have to begin with, after days of stress and being mocked/belittled? absolute morons itt

Maybe he could write it out on a blackboard 100 times ?

That would work But as some people said in the thread, for me to get to this point where James agrees to take partial responsibility took a lot of time and stress.

Also I wouldn't want to take James' money unless people agree that that's a right thing in these type of situations, because that will set the baseline for how these issues should be handled in the future.

James have said that these type of scams happen always, but I have not seen a one example linked to this type of scam where it was reasoned and arbitrated.

So the guy who sent to the right person is wrong and the person who sent to wrong is right!? Is it world opposite day? Honestly JR should cover 20k + 2k for being a dick

What many here fail to understand that "contract" JR and G had is not made in skype trading chat than in private chat. Skype trading chat serves for vouches offering and asking.

So JR had a contract with scammer who eventually dindn't scam him, while at same time G had contract with scammer who scammed him.
Real JR and G didn't even spoked together so they couldn't have a contract.

I do think that JR should have notice he is talking with scammer and protect G in this trade.

maybe he was referring to the contents of the conversation with fake grazvidas that must have been missing from your conversation since it was a different account... (but he was embarassingly unaware of this)

The thing with saying the contracts are laid out in this way is that it means JR owes G the full 20k. G sent JR 20k which should be returned, since there was no contract between them.

Well now when you say it like this, I'm not that sure in my statements anymore

I'm leaning now more to shared guilt in this case

There needs to be a protocol for trading such that if both players follow this protocol they are protected from all sorts of scams.
The protocol should be pinned on top of every trading chat.
The person breaking this protocol should be responsible for the loss.

Now the situation becomes messy because there was a protocol however it was not written down but only existing in the mind of all players in the trading chat, and everyone had a different perception of this protocol. G thought the idea was to ask for HV and then he can safely send. JR thought the idea was that lesser known player should videocall well known player

Since there was no group concensus about the protocol everyone is kind of at fault imo. G for not familiarizing himself with best practices, JR for not double checking the skype IDs when he, as a trusted bookkeeper, is aware that these types of scams occur on a regular basis. The moderators for not writing down the rules

imo the legal way of looking at who has a contract with who kind of misses the point that the ruling should reflect the fairness of the situation and create correct incentives. 50/50 split is fair imo. and JR should be boycotted for being a douchebag.

So if someone fools you into sending money to someone and you dutifully carry out the task that means you sent the money to the right person? This is what this thread has been missing - a perspective from the theoretical scammer's POV.

Not that I would, but Grazvis has every right to be asking for an apology here. People who carry their high-school-bully mentality into the adult world should be held accountable with adult consequences, or they don't learn.

Agreed. JR's response in this thread is even more of a testament to that, basically saying that he's way too rich/busy to be dealing with this peasant **** and to stop bothering him. Yet again showing absolutely zero empathy

This is the first time I've ever heard of JR, but this thread alone would make me not want to do business with him. I can't imagine trying to come to an understanding about a sensitive situation like this and getting berated and talked down to. Tons of way nicer people in the world providing the same services.

We talked with James, and came to an agreement, I think James treated it right at the end.

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James offered to send me full 20k, and have agreed that he was partially responsible for this trade going wrong.

I do agree that I am hugely responsible for this trade too, I don't think me taking 20k back would be fair.

But James is insisting that he wants to send 20k, so I will take it, and probably will be sending 10k to some good cause - Charity.

Thanks James, think this is all square at the end. I will try to be much more careful next time aswell when I am arranging a trade. It's a shame that the person that scammed us got away with 20k.

Wow much busy

I agree that you share the blame, but I think your blame is maybe 20-40%, so I wouldn't feel too guilty taking the entire 20k.

I suppose this suffices as a decent apology on his end, I just don't like the fact that it never would have ended this way without a public outing. Eh, whatever, it is what it is. Grats OP and good on JR

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