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Old 09-23-2020, 01:21 PM   #251
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Re: Got scammed 20k by a person impersonating. Questioning if I am responsible 100% over this.

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10k send to Khan Academy

https://www.khanacademy.org/
Not the greatest choice. Khanacademy already has lots of support from Bill Gates foundation, Google etc.
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Old 09-23-2020, 01:27 PM   #252
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Not the greatest choice. Khanacademy already has lots of support from Bill Gates foundation, Google etc.
Donate $10k somewhere better then. Bit late for him to change his mind now isn't it.
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Old 09-23-2020, 02:06 PM   #253
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Re: Got scammed 20k by a person impersonating. Questioning if I am responsible 100% over this.

crazy, donate 10k and people complain that it didn't go to a "good enough" cause lol
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Old 09-23-2020, 02:58 PM   #254
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Re: Got scammed 20k by a person impersonating. Questioning if I am responsible 100% over this.

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Many in this thread have a dumb opinion that follows this " BrO He TrY tO lOoK gOoD ". Except not a single person who believes that would fork up 10 or 20k in total for this situation. James may have come off bad in this thread but he is the one taking a goddamn 20k loss. So in my opinion , to all the NVG idiots, SHUT THE **** UP.
Please bold and make the last part pretty for everyone who has not even ever decided to do the right thing for 1k+, thank you.
wow, you truly are a clueless moron. Don't get me wrong, you're right that theres a lot of NVG tards who spew nonsense without having any idea what they're talking about, but you are just as bad.

Like, are you somebody who also praises Donald Trump for donating his presedential salary, despite being worth billions? So anybody who says that donation is meant to make him look good should "stfu or go donate 500k of your own money hahah!"

Value is relative. 20k is way more to most people than it is to James. While you're correct that most have never paid 1k+ to make something right, most people don't have that type of money to spare, and don't have businesses that rely on their reputation. So yes, in part it is indeed to look good. and guess what, James ADMITTED this in the dm's, he literally said that his reputation is too valuable.

Anywho, still happy JR did the right thing, but gtfo with this absolutely atrocious logic, you aren't helping his case
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Old 09-23-2020, 03:48 PM   #255
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Re: Got scammed 20k by a person impersonating. Questioning if I am responsible 100% over this.

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1) A deal was made between real Romero and real gravitas, but through the intermediaries. They both had the intent to trade with the real version of each other, although orchestrated through the scammer, and then went through with trying to do so. If so, a contract was made. Grazvyd performed by sending 20k to Romero's real ACR account. Romero FAILED to perform under the contract bc he sent to the scammer. Romero therefore must perform his end of contract and owes Grazvyd 20k.
Or the other option:
IANAL but after thinking some more would interpret this differently.

A deal was made through the intermediary and G performed by sending 20K to him. G DID NOT perform in regards to J, just like J DID NOT perform in regards to G. J performed by sending 20K to the intermediary. They both acted in good faith, but the intermediary failed to do his part giving him the suitable description of 'scammer'.

Practically speaking both made mistakes - either could have clicked the other's skype name in the main chat and made sure they were talking to the right person. Neither video called even though that is the typical procedure. Also no one was alarmed that the trade was for something different than initially requested.

pocket_zeros is correct in that none of this would have happened if the initial party didn't get the ball rolling, and he was tricked by not being more careful. Unfortunately James was also careless as he could be accepting ill-gotten funds. Having video call as procedure while the other party wants to bypass it and the trade being for a different currency are concerns that should be more of his responsibility as a veteran trader and moderator in the context of this.

Sucky situation and a lesson for all of us - verify through multiple channels and keep your guard up even when sending 2nd. Good on James for taking the classy route and sending the entire 20K.
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Old 09-28-2020, 03:42 AM   #256
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Re: Got scammed 20k by a person impersonating. Questioning if I am responsible 100% over this.

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Its private, the 2 real accounts were in there and the 2 fake accounts which is just one person wasn't even though he was getting information to coordinate the scam somehow. The group has been closed down as its clear the scammer somehow had access to what was being said.
So likely someone who has been hard vouched and let into the group at some point prior decided to pick this opportunity to pounce and try the scam. Someone who can witness the offers/trades occurring then DM the trading parties.
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Old 10-03-2020, 05:49 PM   #257
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Re: Got scammed 20k by a person impersonating. Questioning if I am responsible 100% over this.

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James had an obligation to get $ to the person posing as Grazvis1, which he fulfilled. Unless the two of them have a prior business/transfer relationship then James has no fiduciary responsibility to Grazvis1 because the two never entered into any agreement with each other.
If that's the case: James is still morally obligated to return money which was sent to him, unwittingly, by a stranger with whom he did not actually have a "business/transfer relationship"
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Old 10-03-2020, 05:52 PM   #258
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These are some really terrible takes.
Agree to disagree.

1 person fulfilled his obligations in a trade deal.
1 person handed his money off to a scammer.

IMO the "terrible take" is blaming the one who managed to get his money to right person.
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