Hello 2p2 community,
This is Grazvydas (Grazvis1) - long time HS online player.
Summary of what have happened:
I posted that I am looking for 20k trade in one of the Skype’s trading chats, impersonator of a high volume trader James Romero messaged me that he is interested into trade, I asked for a HV, and I send first under guidance of impersonator.
But the person on the receiving end of me sending 20k on ACR, was real James Romero account, and the impersonator got real James Romero to ask for a legit HV in a trading chat “Thai 20k HV @James Romero with Grazvydas”. (James send 20k BTC to impersonator upon receiving funds on ACR)
The reason of this post, is to clarify why I am responsible 100% of liability here, because that’s what James Romero claimed, and that’s what people participating in the trading chat seemed to agree.
And I don’t think the way James Romero communicated after the fact was just. I would like people to judge this too.
My last communication with James Romero was:
https://gyazo.com/0d33f8671fd54c1053ba0a009bcf5852
I was questioning what have happened in the Trading chat for 4 hours yes, because I was confused about what exactly have happened, as a HV for James Romero was a legit HV, which real James Romero asked. There was never an arbitrary decision, or anything like that, the few people that communicated in the Trading chat did seemed to take James’ side.
James’ message “and then you deleted a bunch of content from the conversation” is a 100% lie, I did not deleted 1 message from any conversation, I immediately posted a screen shot of that James’ message in the trading chat to call him out.
I think it’s only fair if people are informed of this, as this does show the person’s character, and he is a high volume trader.
And to judge the way impersonator of James managed to scam here, and if it’s me who is 100% responsible here, or there’s a part of responsibility on James’ side too:
Sequence of events:
1) I posted in a trading chat on Skype called “Crypto/Fiat Highstakes Exchange” that I am looking for a trade.
2) James Romero posted in the same trading chat that he is looking for a trade.
3) A
fake James (fJames) and a
fake Grazvydas (fGrazvydas) create almost identical clone Skype accounts and message the real ones (rJames and rGrazvydas)
4)
fJames and fGrazvydas makes a plan for a trade with rJames and rGrazvydas, where if rJames gets a HV rGrazvydas will send $20k on ACR in return for $20k BTC/NAT8. (
fGrazvydas asked 20k BTC for ACR from rJames,
fJames promised 20k NAT8 for rGrazvydas' ACR)
5)rJames asks a friend for a HV, friend post HV, upon seeing so rGrazvydas send $20k to rJames.
6)Upon receiving $20k on ACR rJames sends $20k BTC to
fGrazvydas.
7)rGrazvydas doesn't get $20k Nat8 and looks into it in more indepth and contacts rJames.
Conversations from trading chat:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
Conversation with rJames:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
A few points to clarify:
*I messaged ACR support to report theft by impersonation, because at that point I thought that the ACR account I send to was the impersonator/scammer. After realizing the way the scam happened, I thought ACR doesn’t need to be involved anymore, and I messaged them back asking to unfreeze rJames account and free the funds to him, which has been done by now.
*In the Skype’s trading chat, my initial conversation was trying to get a grasp of what have happened exactly, and me apologizing there is more of an acknowledgement that I understood the way the scam worked, not that I agree I am 100% responsible there. There was never arbitrary judge to rule on this, and I don’t think I have been provided a fair explanation why in this situation I would have to take all the responsibility.
Most likely I will try to get an arbitrary judge to rule on this, and to define what responsibility and what kind of due diligence a person should take when he is trying to get a HV. Because that was never answered.
All this happened in last ~7days.
Thankfully,
Grazvydas
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Edit/MH:
Resolution:
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Romero
Sending User "Grazvydas" $10k. (We are splitting the loss)
Last edited by Mike Haven; 09-20-2020 at 08:05 AM.