Yea its pretty much over unless Jaime starts taking SARMs or steroids to try and maintain muscle mass while aggressively cutting.

Psychologically I think he's been eating and gaining weight because he knows he's in for a tough ride.

Trenbolone is their only hope

I think he/they have more chance of doing this than people in this thread are giving them.

Matt was very lean before he added the bulk, so genetically suited to 10% body fat.

Jaime is not as genetically suited, but the fact that he's made the journey down in weight once before means he knows what it takes. Yes it's probably 1.5 x harder than the previous challenge and he's behind the clock having relaxed his diet and exercise recently but if he can quickly get back on the horse and build some momentum he is capable of doing it.

I think Jamie already ate the horse..


For the record Im rooting for Jamie, just like cracking jokes though

As I type this he is downing diet coke on stream.

Cut the carbs and get on juice

That Jaime knows how to lose weight, has lost weight previously, and has great financial incentive to lose weight, doesn't change what he will have to end up doing to win the bet. Again: literally hit 120lbs. He'll be a walking pile of bones and loose skin, smaller than any biggest loser winner you've seen (.. maybe other than that one chick who did exactly what Jaime would need to do and went full holocaust look).

Perkins should offer them a nice buyout or change of terms, Jaime hitting 10% bf will greatly endanger his life and I'm not joking. He just doesn't have much other lean mass to support his body on if he hits 10% fat mass. I've been sub 10% bodyfat and I felt emaciated, and I'm legit 190lbs at that bf because of a lot of muscle mass. Can't imagine doing it with whatever sliver of muscle Jaime has.

edit: Have Matt hit sub 10% bf and Jaime run a ****ing marathon or something lol

god damn it I thought we had left the diet coke debate over a year ago. He downed unlimited diet coke during the last weight loss bet and lost the weight no problemo. Diet drinks AIN'T ****ING RELEVANT STFU

lawlz, I don't get why people get so sensitive over the diet coke thing which is the reason I had brought it up.

Anyways as said it is going to be nearly impossible for him to accomplish this bet without practically starving himself which I just do not see happening. I however wish we could at least get some info/updates like the last prop. I am curious as to what both current weight is now and BF%. Will be fun to see what happens over the next few months but I will be fairly surprised if they don't try to buy before the start of the new year.

The way it was presented it seemed to me that you think drinking diet Coke will hinder his fat loss

Forgot to add the oh so obvious JK LAWLS OmegaLUL my bad. (LOL)

Matt is ~60kg according to his stream command

Yea Matt will end up looking completely emaciated as well. He put on some muscle mass over the bulk but big picture wise it's not much (1 year natty bulk, meh). But at least it will look healthier than whatever bag of bones Jaime would need to resemble. They really need to stop (not that Jaime seems to have started)

Yes I realize I sound like a bitter hater. I'm just trying to be realistic about what 10% dexa will mean for the two of them.

You can actually go sub 10 while HIIT + working out and maintaining muscle mass and gaining definition

I've lost 30kg in a year just through heavy excercise drinking like 3 times in the pub per week and cheating on diet.

Just when you approach that 10% it becomes much harder and you have to exercise while NOT cheat on diet and maintaining caloric deficit. The willpower for that's brutal if you haven't done that before and are on the clock. I've never managed that myself ended around the 12% mark ish

Or he'd just need a trainer be with him 24/7 controlling everything he does

https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/die...-syndrome.html

It really isn't as much about *can it be done* but more like *what will they look like when they hit that goal*... I'm sure they can do it, humans can do just about anything depending on incentives.

I just keep repeating it really: Sub 10% bf from dexa scan will leave any not-overly-muscular person absolutely emaciated, walking skeleton style. It's not "oh I'm probably about 10% bodyfat right now, I can see my abs when standing relaxed" - on a dexa, 10% is like HOLY **** THERE IS NO FAT ON YOUR BODY WTF. World elite bodybuilders with literally no visible fat anywhere scan at 6-7% on a dexa when they are in stage ready conditioning. The funny thing is that the Staple brothers know this (I know they know this) but they still haven't called the bet off. I don't get it

Time will tell I guess.

she looks like an expert




https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-lo...et-soft-drinks

Great points Loctus. Healthy thing is a recomp/ mild cut but there is no time for that - sick thing is a coach might not be much use at this point. Literally a case of running as much as possible and eating chicken and broccoli.

Lol at people who think diet coke doesn't hinder fat loss

I don't really have an opinion on the diet coke issue, I find it interesting. Is there any studies that prove your point? Always thought that the main factor in weight loss is calories.

https://www.self.com/story/4-ways-di...ou-gain-weight

Aspartame is bad for you as well.

Drink water, tea, coffee.

^^
Most reasons are psychological and don't equally apply to all. Diet coke definitely isn't healthy but many people (including me) have no problem losing weight while drinking it a lot. 90% of weight loss is still calories in - calories out. And there aren't any in diet coke.

That article gives 4 reasons, but 3 of those are pretty much the same, that you might eat more if you consume artificall sweeteners, which isnt really a problem with jaime or anyone else who's serious about losing weight, bc they count calories. The last argument isnt really backed up properly, but it seems like it could have some long terms effects, but nothing that hinders weight loss.

If you struggle with weight you need to make a lifestyle change. Substituting coke with diet coke is not making a lifestyle change. You're still feeding your addiction.

Then we could get into all the chemicals that are in there and how bad they are for you.

If you're happy and losing weight with diet soda good for you but that doesn't mean you're living a healthy life style. It's very easy to be skinny/not over weight and still be unhealthy.

I just prefer to live a healthy life style and would guess that I'm healthier than someone that drinks diet soda on the regular basis.

I would also guess that if people were to cut out diet soda/carbohydrates for 90 days they would feel much better and lose weight if that was their goal.

I would also also guess that most of the people that are defending diet soda drink it on a regular basis and think they are fine because it's not regular soda. I would disagree. You're still putting **** in your body.

There is more to weight loss than counting calories.

Water, tea, coffee

https://draxe.com/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you/

Jamie lost weight drinking diet Coke, but he had to change how many calories he consumed.
Healthy lifestyle doesnt seem like a decent argument?
Not all studies point in the same direction and atleast some of the effects mentioned in the article isnt directly linked and is probably due to lifestyle choices.
Im not trying to defend anything, just seems like this discussun is mainly driven by feelings and not facts

I recently saw a science TV program explaining one of the reasons why carbonated drinks are satisfying is they produce a similar effect in the brain to opiates.

This fits in with fizzy drinks when they first hit you being like a little pick me up/stimulant.

As someone who has no interest whatsoever in taking recreational drugs, I thought this was great news and it registered with me that carbonated drinks (with sugar or artificial sweeteners) do have this effect if only for a few fleeting seconds.

For this reason, I recommend incorporating them in moderation into a crash diet.