Jaime having to recover from surgery during the bet and more cardio required this time, I think it's a good bet on perkins end at 3-1 but it would be interesting to see Jaimes BF % right now to see what hes dealing with.

Best of luck to them, will be a incredible change for Jaime win or lose looking back 2 years before this one ends.

Haha, that's one of the funniest post's I've seem here.

^^ I echo most of this. I have a friend who's a DEXA technician and runs the scans for both old people (for osteoperosis) and and fitness people (mostly vanity) and have talked w/ her at length. She says most of the athletes come in thinking they're 5-7% lower than they actually are, usually because they pinched the hell out of their belly with a set of $8 calipers. Either that or bioelectrical impedence (e.g. bodyfat scales) which she says are complete garbage and can give readings on the same person that differ over 5% just hours apart.

Sub-10% on a DEXA is pretty f'ing ripped. Here's a few examples of what that looks like.

A few things:
- While DEXA is often held up as the gold standard in BF testing, there can still be modest variance. Friend says one athlete told her he'd booked a test b/c he flat out didn't believe a different DEXA reading he got the day before that had him 2% higher than her machine. Not sure if some machines are calibrated differently or there's just natural variance or what.
- I def wouldn't have snap-called this without first getting a DEXA reading to establish where they're currently at.
- Yeah, the loose skin thing might be a real monkey wrench. Could very well register as fat.
- All that said, I'd def prefer their side of the bet. <10% absolutely doable in a year (skin issue aside) from where they're at. Only question is their motivation. $150K would do it for me.

This. Or people don't know what sub 10% really looks like.

the original bet was ridiculously free money and this one should be even odds imo

People saying this is easy that have never been sub 10% in their lives, did you at least google 10% bf before you posted?

This will not be EASY

I think with Mike V. on their side and with the same will and determination of the first bet that they can win.

Just imagine the haters when Jamie ends up looking like a Greek God.

This. I think there's some simple stuff you can do like drink a lot of water before the scan and it throws it off significantly.

Jamie is going to end up buying out of this in a few months.

I saw a pic from his weigh in, it looked like most of the weight he lost was muscle, his legs and arms were incredibly skinny for someone who used to be obese.

that's why Jaime failed so hard in poker in the last 2 yrs.

you just cannot gamble for 50k with a net worth of possibly around ~150-200k if you're somewhat smart.

ps.: even if the odds are very favorable.

150k to spend the year getting fit and healthy. What a nice guy Bill Perkins is.

This aint that tough if they have the dedication ad stay healthy and 150k is surely enough motivation. Would think they would achieve it but of course there could be other factors that get in the way.

Sounds like he's doing too much starving himself and not enough gym work.

Who ****ing cares? Maybe he can offer them a new prop bet. 1:3 odds, that during this year all of the stupid pokerstars twitch pros say smt about the ridiclious rake increases.

Go ahead Bill, offer this bet to them. I would bet against

Yeah - he def. has to get up his ass an start doing intensive lifting or he will suffer a lot while this bet => <10% without solid muscle mass is pure starving with all the problems of constant tiredness, depression, bad concentration and undernutrition

in my personal experience its not difficult (but still hard) to reach it in a year, but only if you combine short intensive (slow!) lifting with extensive cardio and some intermittand type high protein diet

10% on a dexa scan is SUPER DUPER LEAN. Contest shredded pro bodybuilders without an ounce of visible fat anywhere are 6-7% on a dexa scan.

Still doable but Jaime is going to have to lift regularly or he will be emaciated at that bodyfat. Like, straight up holocaust ****.

edit: The reference pictures above are way off. They are what one "by eye" considers bodyfat levels to be. Dexa scans adds multiple percentages to it.
These are both 6.2% on dexa scans (like, legit, these dudes got dexa scanned at 6.2% at this look):
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgb9OY-A...n-by=nunez3dmj
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgnXE50F...by=samirtroudi

Aaaand a 13.3% for reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BS_V4zpAHJr/

say whaaaaat?

No chance!
Where can I bet monies

They might have gotten hustled here tbh lol but I guess neither them or Perkins were aware of what a dexa scan spits out as results. Vacanti should've known though, if they asked him before booking.. How lean 10% ACTUALLY is and not just "oh yea bro im like 10% now"

huh most of the weight he lost was muscles? what muscles?

you guys seem to be only thinking in terms of bodybuilding though.... plenty of underweight sick people are sub 10%, I think this is their best shot, starving themselves and feeling like **** mostly the 2-3 months before end date

if you are bodybuilding its very hard unless you take steroids

Yeah, the thing with that is.... They actually aren't sub 10%.

You think they are.

They aren't.

if they aren't then being sub 10% is extremely unhealthy and this is a dumb bet, I'm pretty confident they are though, there's just not an ounce of fat on them

also for me if I remember correctly I was at 8% and the visceral fat reading was at the lowest possible, I wasn't in good shape though, at all, was sick and had been eating about 500 calories a day for quite a while

and for the people who think they are going to look good if they manage to do it they couldn't be more wrong, sub 10% fat without steroids doesn't look good at all, just look up natural bodybuilders who are cutting for comps, they lose a huge portion of their muscle mass in the process

Question for the dexa-scan experts: I am ~135lbs right now. What would happen if I drank a gallon of water right before getting the scan to increase my weight by ~6% to 143lbs? (Besides hyponatremia)

They dont need to build muscle and look like a bodybuilder. They can look like a twig and win. Its 20x easier to lose 15 pounds of fat than gain 15 pounds of muscle. They just have to do some heavy compounds to try and maintain their lean mass or possible add some muscle but it's mainly cardio and diet up the azz for a year str8. As you get lower and lower bodyfat your scans start to snowball. Going from 25 pounds of fat to 20 isn't as big of proportional drop as losing 5lbs of fat off like 15lbs of fat. Losing those 5lbs take equal amount of effort but one will move your b.f % 25% to 20% then like 20% to 10%.(made up numbers but you get the point)

Water weight would register as lean mass but lean mass wouldnt affect your bodyfat % that greatly as the same amount of fat lose if your lean already. Say you have 80lbs of muscle and 25lb of fat.if you add 6lb water now you have 86lb muscle and 25lb of fat that's not as good as 25lb of fat and losing 6 to now have 19lbs fat and 80lb of muscle. Your b.f dexa would be better in the 2nd .

In order to have a low b.f on dexa you duh have lose b.f. that will affect it the most proportionally instead of just trying to add muscle which is much harder to do pound for pound