That's not how starving works. 1600 calories a day isn't awesome but it's nowhere near starving. You can eat a full pound of lean meat (chicken/turkey/ground beef/steak), two cups of rice, a half cup of beans, and two wraps on low cal tortillas with virtually as many pieces of deli meat as you'd like and one decent sized piece of deli cheese. Flesh that out with a bunch of fresh veggies and salads and that's a lot of food. Hell, even if you get bored and want some treats, you can always go grab a 600 calorie meal at a fast food place (most burgers, or one large fry, or two pieces of pizza sans crust, or a medium sized sub, or an order of chicken fingers) and still have 1k calories to fill up on the rest of the day. The obnoxious part of dieting is that you have to be constantly conscious of what you're doing and frequently deny yourself treats. But it's not starvation.



That's not really how steroids work. They don't magically burn calories or pack on muscle, he'd actually have to put in a massive effort in the gym to do that. And if he's not willing to do that for one day, he wouldn't be willing to do that EVERY day.

I can just tell from your response you've never done prolonged dieting. yes you are starving, doesn't matter how "clean" you keep your cals. 1600 is a tiny amount when also doing cardio/lifting. This was just a guess at his low days, I wouldnt be surprised if he was as low as 1300 though. A prolonged caloric deficit will eventually turn even the strongest willed people. sure you may not literally be starving to death, but hunger pangs and the psychological desire for food is what im getting at. As for the steroid comment, someone on even a small stack can work out half as hard and gain twice as much lean mass, if not more, when compared to a similarly built natural individual. Not to say u can be a total bum and eat garbage and reap the rewards, but it makes it MUCH easier...Honestly there are studies showing taking exogenous hormones and not lifting at all still increases LBM. so I still stand by my statement.

I think GhoulPatrol's post made perfect sense. Your two standpoints are not uncompatible tbh.

A good natural pro bodybuilder friend of mine (as in actual natural organization) dieted on about 1800kcal for most of his contest prep (in the end he had to go lower). It's not a crazy low amount by any means (well, ok, it's low, but some people dont have high bmr even with a bunch of muscle mass). I spent december-april dieting on 2250kcal (2100 in april) and I'm 6ft 190lbs at a legit 10% bodyfat now in the end (and I mean ACTUAL 10% ripped, people-staring-in-the-gym type). I think I felt hungry once or twice the entire diet, but other years when I've dieted I've had bad hunger issues on higher calories. The body is weird, everyone are different, and even different year to year.

Basically you're both right tbh. And about steroids, it was in the terms of the bet that no such things were allowed. Sure he could cheat, but then he could've just blasted DNP and chilled in front of the computer all diet instead anyhow so it's sort of irrelevant to go into

The longest uninterrupted period for me was 5 months. 1.5k calories a day w/ one refeed day a week (although honestly that was mostly alcohol). Aside from the very very beginning, I never felt starved or I'd say even very uncomfortable. Obviously YMMV, but if you are starving on a 1.6k cal/day diet I'd say you're doing something wrong. Unless of course you're a massive dude with a TDEE far over 2.6k, but that's so obvious I don't think it needs to be said.

Yeah actually they do. I couldn't find the study but people on Test who didn't even lift outgained in LBM vs the natty group who lifted. Obv those who lifted and ran Test gained the most.

Pretty common on TRT for bodies to recomp.

Matty got third in the SCOOP Sunday Million last night for 95k. Amazing journey for him having started out with $8 a couple of years ago.

Yes, that run was sick to watch

Wow sick score! Congrats Matty!

Dude there's no way.

That's fasting and cocaine

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Jamie's body type though. They've already lost

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i didn't really follow this too much, but for some reason his channel came up as recommended on twitch so i clicked it

dude must be 400 lbs now. how is that physically possible to gain that much weight in a year

Having no spine has probably something to do with it. I think I heard him say that quitting smoking had something to do with his unhealthy eating pattern again.

It's always something with him, apparently he can be motivated by a prop bet (money) but not by the fact that he will live shorter and the quality of his life will go down (health). That's pretty sad if you think about it. I hope this will change for him one day because I don't think he is a bad guy with bad intentions. He is just mentally weak I suppose.

You eat more calories than you burn. He is allso a lazy boy so it makes it even more easier.

Wouldn't your body force you to vomit or somehow stop you from gaining 200 lbs in a year

Being a poker streamer is not really conducive to a healthy life style obviously. Jamie is a lazy soy boy and mediocre poker player. But I assume most people know that already. Very happy for Matty Ice the kid deserves it.

Not really. If you eat 2000 calories more than maintenance every day you will gain 200lbs in a year. I don't know what he eats or drinks but if he's like the typical fatty that eats **** food all day and washes it down with sugar filled drinks, it's very easy to consume 2,000 calories over your daily limit.

In one random day? Sure. Every single day for a year? No way. Especially when you consider that for most of those days, assuming he's under 5'10, his TDEE is 2800 or higher. That means that in order to eat 2k calories above, he'd have to be consuming nearly 5k calories day in and day out.

Here's an example of what 5k calories represents:

6 eggs
8 strips of bacon
4 slices of bread, each with a half tablespoon of butter on them
16 ounces of orange juice (2 full cups)
2 Baconators
Large Wendy's fries
3 slices of pepperoni pizza
3 cans of Coke

It's an insane amount of food. To do it every day for a year is damn near inhuman. It's more likely that he's 3 bills and people just misjudge weight above a certain point because it's hard to differentiate between one obese amount and another.

I like the ending of this post, that people probably misjudge his weight (just like who cares about the difference between 150 million and a billion, even though it's an ocean of difference).

About the food amounts though, the listed isn't an insane amount of food in any way, eating that and more daily is a simple task for many - the only thing stopping me from doing it for a prolonged period of time is pure physical vanity - not wanting to get fat. A mental barrier Jaime clearly lacks, yet that thing can be what separates a super fit person from an obese one

edit: Gonna add that I think you're likely overestimating his TDEE btw.. If he's a few standard deviations below the mean his TDEE could be like 2200 (not even super low). Then he could be eating "only" 3800 per day or something for a year and blow the helllll up.. 2800 would be a TDEE on the higher side for a mostly sedentary male at 5'10, with a normal amount of musclemass, even

Eating 5k calories is pretty easy. I eat 2k calories in one sitting. Haagen daaz. Listing bacon and eggs is ******ed. No one is eating 5k calories eating bacon and eggs, that **** fills you up. 2 eggs and 2 slices of bacon is 200 calories total. Pizza and soda and ice cream thats how you do it. Lots of soda is how you do it.

A normal day for me is

Morning = 2 eggs 2 sausages 2 slice of bread

Evening = takeaway ..either chicken curry with fried rice with a portion of chips and prawn crackers
Or. Pie and chips or chicken and chips

Snacks = 5 or 6 biscuits a couple of packets of crisps and a couple of sandwiches.plus a large bar of chocolate.

Drinks = about 3 litres of fizzy drinks .and about 6 cups of coffee.

Above is my intake every day.not got a clue how much calories that is,ime about a stone over weight.and have been the same weight for about the last 15 years.

You can add 30 cigs a day onto that.

In my job i do a lot of walking..which i think is the reason i dont put on a lot more weight.

If i was to give up the cigs though.i think my weight would ballon.

So if he is serious about losing weight.forget prop bets.and go a walk around your city for a few hours each day.

This is not just about calorie intake.

If you´re gaining so much weight in a such a short time frame, your body and mind will tell you to stop many, many times in the process.

Gaining 40-50lbs in 3-4 months is one thing, and I´ve done that twice (150lbs to 200lbs, 190lbs to 240lbs) but I didn´t gain weight after that for years, despite feeding myself like a five year old.

The highest I´ve been was 240lbs (I´m 6ft) and I could barely walk pain-free at this stage, while also being super-depressed.

You must have (and continue to ignore/blast over) serious issues in order to be able to gain 200lb in a single year.

It´s virtually impossible if you work out say 2 times a week, which isn´t a whole lot.

Again, I´m not talking about the calorie surplus only (your TDEE will rise if you weight rises, so you have to eat even more to gain even more weight), but on the effects this would have on your body, mind, sex life etc.

Your body won't tell you to stop if what you're doing is returning to your old and "normal" weight. Staples didn't go from a regular sized person to obese in a year. He went from obese to regular sized back to obese. This is a "normal" phenomenon and not something someone's body would object to. His body and mind likely was telling him to stop dieting and get back to being big (which would be his bodyfat setpoint/"natural state")... This is the same function which makes Matty go back to being "small" again right after his super-bulk - your body wants to go back to the size it spent the last couple of years at

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That is not an insane amount of food for a fatty, it's not even a lot of food for a fatty.

I don't think he actually weights 400lbs, I haven't even seen a picture of him recently. I was just explaining how easy it is to gain 200lbs in a year if you eat like a fatty.

I eat between 3500 - 4000 calories a day without carbs which is fairly easy. Add in carbs and I could easily eat 6000+ calories a day. I'm not a fatty though.

While I agree with the numbers you gave in your example, I don't agree with the content. 3 cans of coke? The typical fatty probably consumes 2k calories a day in soda and other drinks. Where is all the snacks they consume throughout the day? 3 slices of pizza? Not for a fatty! I'm not even a fatty and could easily eat a whole pizza. Basically what I'm saying is while I agree with the calories in the food you gave, I don't think that is a typical american fatty diet.

Regardless my point wasn't to say that all fatties would gain 200lbs in a year, just that it was easy enough to do for someone with poor eating habits which I still believe to be true. There was a dude on 600lb life that gain 260lbs in 2 months, 200lbs in a year is nothing.

maybe wearing a 7 XL sweatshirt made me think he's 400 when he's only 390