He impressed me in winning the first bet, but I could tell from his process there was no chance in hell in the second bet. Going for walks and having the discipline to eat like 1k cals is one thing. It takes a complete different mindset to put on muscle and change the composition of your body while under a restrictive diet.

Is it healthier to have muscles when you go sub 10%?
I get that it's way easier to burn off fat
but still

A decent amount of muscles is healthy regardless of your fat%. And it sure looks healthier, as more muscle weight allows for more fat at the same %.

going under 10% without serious workout ****s you physically and mentally hard

Yup. Also it's actually possible to lose a lot of weight and GAIN bodyfat percentage if you overdo the cardio - which is exactly what a journalist from the Sunday times inadvertently did.

Going sub 10% without decent muscle mass will leave you looking like a holocaust survivor. I mean, it's literally anorexia to do that. Hell, Matt is going to look pretty terrible too tbh, don't even want to think about what Jaime would look like (not that we'll get to see it). I've been sub 10% (would've been on a dexa reading) and you look pretty emaciated. Especially the face looks amost diseased, not joking. People start asking you what's going on in every day life and stuff since you look ill

itt this ppl who have literally never been in above avg shape commentating on physique and the regiment required . anyway it was a dumb bet, pay up

88 Oh ding didn't consider this one
Your weight's just higher so you got more actual fat and can remain healthy sub10%

Yeah now I see why it's impossible or was close to it even before they started, and if not impossible then borderline self destructive for a guy not used to lifting like Jamie with mental issues and smoking on top

Doesn't this kinda discredit their coach, they must've consulted him and Jamie was in euphoria, but a professional should've known better how much harder than 3:1 it is right after the rapid weightloss shock and agree to dexa on top

you cant say that, Matt seriously worked out for over a year and Jamie .... hmm maybe....

.... after some months adaption to training (motorics and joints), the gains you can make within one year with the right workout and nutrition knowledge are crazy ...... and well within the targets of the bet (still in no way easy to achieve)

..... honestly I am not sure if Mike Vacanti is the perfect coach, he might lack some experience due his age and tend to high volume training instead of high intensity due to his boxing background....

..... imo its all about high intensity training with a moderate volume and careful rest times .... good resources are bodybuilding.com and HIT (high intensity training) books

Just for info: I am well in my forties, have trained for decades, gained 10+ kg of muscles or lost 10+ kg of fat within months several times in my life and my ex-wife was a pro bodybuilder and trainer over decades.

^Whether they do HIT or high volume lifting isn't going to ****ing matter. That they have to starve themselves into sub 10% Dexa is what matters. They would be walking skeletons, both of them. And Jaime would be a walking skeleton with bags of loose skin everywhere while Matt would just be a regular skeleton.

Really, spending too much time thinking about what workout regimen to follow is pointless, it won't change anything results-wise in the end anyways. Too little muscle mass already, too little time spent building.

To be honest I think Jaime would have a hard time to reach 10% bf without dying. Like, literally. Holding no muscle mass and going to sub 10% bf (dexa) ultimately means having almost no body mass at all. He doesn't have muscles and 10% is =not having fat. So what the hell will he consist of, a bag of skin and organs?

I eat more (volume wise), while getting ripped, just that its mostly vegetables, bean-fruits, some fruits and protein ....... only make crazy volumes of cardio (running 20-40km per week) and 2 - max 4 short hyper intensive weight sessions per week .... no starving at all, but having your body in a constant alarm state through the combination of muscle stimuli, cardio and missing carbs ..... even the pro builder friends of my wife would not believe that I am not using speed / coke reaching crazy cutz within weeks and being hyper stimulated all day

p.s.: I agree that its highly in question if Jamie ever reached the base level to start high intensity workouts or long serious cardio ... Matt I see clearly in the ballpark

I would say this bet is a great example how setting too high goals at once can **** your motivation completely ..... still if he had set milestone goals, he could come to a level where it is possible, maybe not in the time-span of the bet

Yeah I mean a bunch of people were telling him that that's reasonably easy money throughout, that it's a challenging but reasonable goal at good odds...I was one of them. But I assume most guys are like me, your average gym Bros who worked out for years just let themselves to go, have solidly high muscle mass naturally and workout habits and muscle memory built up over many years.

And didn't just shock the **** out of our system with rapid weightloss.

My guess is what you guys said, the Mike coach might have been great for flat weightloss and gain, but either didn't have experience, knowledge or the guys didn't listen/consult him properly before setting the odds, they'd need a live-in coach with psychological skills to boot for Jamie to make the odds anywhere near realistic

The bet went off the rails when they settled on using Dexa scan as the method.

It probably went:

"we should make a bet at bodyfat. I know, 10% is a pretty nice and attainable look, let's go for that"
"what's the most accurate way to measure bodyfat?"
"oh, it's a dexa scan"
"okay, 10% bodyfat tested on a dexascan"
"booked"

With neither side knowing that 10% dexa measured is far from what goes through people's heads when they talk about 10% bodyfat. Because when people say 10% bodyfat they mean the look which you have at like an 18% reading on a dexa. Or maybe Perkins knew this all along and hustled the fuuuuckkk out of the Staples, but I highly doubt that. I equally doubt that they all were actually aware of what the bet meant in real terms and went with it anyways

If the 2nd bet had been Jamie had to run a marathon without walking after 12 months of training at 5 to 1 would that have had a different effect on his mindset? You can lose weight fairly passively over a long period of time. These types of goals would require grimacing occasionally and he never really showed the propensity to do that.

I mean it's pretty clear that Jaime didn't listen to Mike. I'm sure he didn't set a plan for Jaime to gain 40lbs or whatever he has.

This was a hard bet from the beginning and seems like Jaime still has issues with any form of self control. His idea of working out is taking hikes and lifting weights every once in a while. Hopefully for his sake, they just buy out of the bet/forget it at this point and he just works on getting back to living healthier. Props to his brother Matt though. Matt looks solid, carried alot of the bet last year and seems to be a winning poker player/enjoyable chill stream.

10 percent is ridiculously low. This was set-up for failure

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lol, billionaires can be fairly twisted ppl, Look at the first side by side before the weight bet...fair play to Bill.. changed the kids lives, Second bet comes up immediately, Perko knows what hes doing, imagine the human body transformation from before and after the sub 10 dexta in 2 Years, The framed photos on perkins wall...priceless

lol what a joke this kid is. Now he has 'anxiety issues' apparently, and he smokes lol. bye bye 50k

I would have anxiety issues too if I put a good chunk of my networth on a ************ bet and then put on 40lbs when I needed to lose 40. So anxiety sounds about right to me


edit: WHY IN THE EVERLIVING **** IS THE WORDS WEIGHT LOSS CENSORED, 2P2? YES I AM NOW CIRCUMVENTING THE FILTER BAN ME

lul

IIRC a few years ago a bunch of spam sites/posts had that in their URL's so 2+2 Admin added it to the prohibited words list.

If you feel strongly about removing those words from the prohibited list, feel free to PM an Admin or post something in ATF.

He is only losing $25k so to him clearly that & potentially winning $75k is not enough motivation to get his ***** together, he basically did nothing but hide from social media and streaming for the first half of the bet and now he had to face multiple people asking him over & over is the bet still on?!?!? Should of bought out along time ago, although considering its Perkins he may show him some mercy. Rip baby brothers $25k though which is most likely at least 25% of his net worth, yet he has been doing all the work to win the bet all along.

Ah, that makes sense. I've seen that before on forums, one place had to ban "autoplay" because youtube had some code that allowed one to embed videos and have them autoplay with sound turned on which resulted in some pretty funny things as soon as you clicked the wrong thread. So I figured it was that or because the top chief didn't like the words