I don't really enjoy the game as much as I used to, and I tilt too much move up to the higher limits.

I'm in my 30's and going back to school doesn't seem like an option at this point.

What kind of jobs (preferably higher paying) do you guys recommend?

30, no degree, wants high paying job

Although its not high payed this job gets recommended quite often arround here: flipping burgers.

Sales of big ticket items like cars or real estate.

Dealing is a good job. Make about 3-4k a month after taxes.

I'm more intelligent than 1/2 these clowns that cram for an exam and forget everything they learned anyway. I received an academic scholarship for college, but dropped out after a year. I've literally been promoted at every job i've ever had. I just dont have that 4 year piece of paper.

From what I've seen, *generally* speaking. most of your job skills are learned on the job, not college. Whether that's manual labor or in an office

I have a strong mathematical background, logical thinker, problem solver, as I assume most successful poker players are. My issue isn't the technical part of the game, it's the tilt part.

I'm not asking for something to be handed to me, I'd prove my worth. Just looking for options / suggestions.

The belief that a degree is anything more than a piece of toilet paper in 2019 is even more laughable.

https://jobs.mikeroweworks.org/

The half of the clowns who memorize for tests and absorb nothing are also not getting high paid jobs so why use that as a measuring stick? As for the other half, that’s still a tons of them who’re competing for the same jobs you seem to think you’re qualified for and unless it’s a stem degree would be lucky to get even a low paying job that involves anything remotely cerebral. Very few jobs require anything beyond remedial critical thinking skills and the prestigious and/or high paying ones that do have droves of people who’ve worked in the field for 10-20 years.

Seems highly unlikely that tilt is the actual reason for your failing at poker since that’s what every dud tells themselves but even if it was - if you can’t use your critical thinking skills to figure out how to control your own behaviour ...

Aside from those who are studying, engineering, coding/data science, pre-med etc., the main thing a degree does is indicate that you can show up when you should (not a small thing) and complete tasks that are assigned to you.

I would agree with the luxury goods or real estate sales options without knowing more about your talents. For example, what kind of math, can you code? What do you know how to do?

What would you like to do? If you have some idea about what you want to do, try to get your foot in the door in an entry level position, even at little or maybe even no pay to begin with.

Consider blue collar...plumbing, HVAC, electrician can turn some big bucks with a moderate amount of training. If you're a step up the intelligence ladder from your peers in these professions, you may have a good opportunity to stand out.

FWIW, I would strongly consider not referring to myself as "Mr."

Best of luck to you. Get started doing something soon.

Hi Mr. Jones,

I hear you. All that is great in fact, but what I'm hearing/seeing is that one of the predominant things big and/or successful companies currently seek is reliability in their human resources.

"Strong mathematical background," "logical thinker," "problem solver" perhaps could be meaningful skill sets to x-business... but can you (or perhaps more appropriately, are you willing to) produce work that is consistent with this resumé of skill sets reliably? In a manner that provides oft-advertised efficiency in whipping all these injustices into shape?

On one hand, YES you may have some moral, self-righteous argument about being "victimized" by the way things are -- just like every other human being may. And YES there are legitimate cases in which human beings have been truly "victimized" by some tragedy/human meanness that was no fault of their own. I say this as a way to address the "tilting" that you seemingly qualify as a justifiable action due to w/e circumstance that is beyond one's control.

But there also might come a point in which x-business requests solutions (or at least some ideas for improving the issues you communicate) as a merit-based means to justify keeping you around (or hiring you in the first place). And if that's not going to be forthcoming, then big and/or successful companies may simply move on to their own pursuits, and further their training of AI so it can provide the consistency/reliability that most humans simply will not over the course of a professional lifetime.

I'm not saying I like this other side of the argument any more than you do, but sh**'s getting competitive and the screws are getting gradually clamped down on human talent due to all the investment in machine learning. And obviously machines are superior manual laborers than humans, and come with far less liability/legacy costs.

It's a tough nut to crack. I'll give you that. But if it's any consolation, not ONE person in the poker world has EVER told me "hey, this position that you're obviously qualified for... you can't have it because you never finished high school and got a G.E.D." That's a true "positive" in my opinion, but it is still up to the individual and x-company whether they wish to enter into and perform within the boundaries of a genuine business partnership.

In the end, I feel some of this long-held defensiveness about expecting x-person or x-company to bow down to a potential collaborator's requests will be forced to come more into focus with the "reliability" and "consistency" aspect... especially when it comes to reasonably stable, full-time "jobs."

With that said, there will always be at least a few other opportunities that are a fit for independent-minded people who may not be in the market for full-time commitments, but in most cases I'd think the same reliability/consistency factors would apply for the agreed-upon tasks being performed.

I wish you well with it all. Let us know how it turns out.

-David

No need for huge paragraphs and debates. I'm sure there are tons of people on here who gave up poker and don't have degrees, was just looking for some job ideas.

Ultimately i'd like to learn how to buy and sell real estate, or develop and lease out commercial properties.

Not exactly sure what the best path to that is though.

Uber

You're right. My bad. It's an interesting topic to me b/c I can relate to some of what you've communicated. I'll stay out of the way so others can provide more helpful/qualified feedback. All the best.

Find out what the licensing requirements are for selling real estate in your area. Take the course and it should be easy to get hired. (Depending on where you live, a real estate company may be willing to subsidize part of your course expense)

Read books & blogs and listen to podcasts about your area of interest. Go after real estate knowledge like you went after poker knowledge. Talk to as many people as possible who are doing what you want to do. Be as useful as possible to the people you're working with.

Save money for your real estate bankroll.

Get started as soon as possible.

Good luck

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...yet you think posting in NVG is going to get you quality answers? May need to reassess your logic and problem solving skills.

What about financial analyst? Your experience as a poker player would be valuable, good pay but you might need to go back to school

If you're a good poker player, get into sales. Sales is a psychology game that rewards consistency and formulaic processes. Used/New cars, B2B, Lead generation are all avenues that work well for a poker/problem solving mindset. Most sales jobs care very little about education. When selling face to face it's all about framing a story. Poker players excell in these type of roles.

Low barrier of entry as well

**** all that bull**** 9-5 crap, just learn stock trading and your potential could be $250k/year or more. You don't need any piece of paper telling you or others ****.

I would highly suggest paying the $300-$1000 for a one month class from a reputable trader to teach you how to make money right off the bat or while you learn, instead of trying to learn yourself and digging a hole.

Find someone to teach you Momentum Day Trading.

How about dog walking (not sure if cat walking is a thing). Get a site and some ads and your away.

You could even expand into doggy day care, grooming, sitting etc

sales or construction

LOL 90% of poker players will quit before 3 months in construction. That game isn't for soft people.

plumbers and garbage men make decent $.

meth ainec