If you are good enough, you can overcome 80% rake. Especially since most people playing the game don't care that much about winning the prize and only that's a small side benefit.

I got depressed reading this. Is this how the general public feels when they read about online poker pros?

It tilts me hard that they are all referred to as "Mr." on every reference.

If I had to guess, probably.

But the good news is, a great poker player can make more than a great Golden Tee player!!

There's no money in Golden Tee, every-

Oh, never mind.

multi-holing

So this guy's buyin is how much per game? Someone said this guy is playing an essentially $1+$4 rake game with 45 players and top 4 pays? How in the world is this profitable since someone said this guy has to win almost every single game?

I played GoldenTee almost everyday for 5 years (2004-2009), & it's unreal how good the best players are at this. I 100% agree this is a skill game. Obviously poker is as well, but a lot of state gambling laws either explicitly or are interrupted to include poker as illegal gambling.

Play extremely close to theoretically perfect at all times.

FTA: On Sunday, Mr. Kinzler vanquished his first two opponents, shooting his customary 27 under par for 18 holes.

Also keep in mind there's only like 5 people in the world that actually have a realistic shot at beating him, & multi-accouting is possible.

Kind of stating the obvious, this is not poker, a majority of the field is drawing virtually completely dead against this guy. He only has to finish fourth to get in the money and turn a profit. It probably isn't that hard if you are very skilled. Just guessing though.

Most everyone is missing the point--a golfing video game is legal, yet online poker isn't. We're getting hosed.

As for expecting ANYTHING from the PPA--keep wishing.

multi tabling, ldo.

I wonder how much one of these machines cost. It would seem that if this guy was this serious about the game, he should just get one and put it in his basement or something. Unless it's a requirement that it'd be in a public place, but I don't see why that would be the case. (theory: prevent tampering? but you could tamper with one in a bar, too)

Also, imagine how profitable this must be for the developers. $4*45 = $180/ tournament. I wonder why no other video games would use this model. Unless I'm missing something.

He can easily play 4 rounds at a time, if 2-3 machines were by each other he could play more (I've seen this).

Software is around $1500 to start off (comes with HD/Trackball), & yearly updates are around 1k (includes stickers/software/other stuff depending on the update). Cabinets (internals+monitor) vary a lot, you could pick up a used one for about 1k or a nice new one for around $2500.

It's not possible to install an online one at home, as you have to register to a business. It would actually be pretty slick, as he could play each tournament for just the fees (saving $4+ a round). Of course he may have a deal with the bar owner where he plays getting some type of rakeback

Because poker is exactly the same as Golden Tee.
Because Golden Tee also has 100 years of case law saying it's illegal gambling.
Because you know what you are talking about.

I heard it's legal in Arizona, but if you're hispanic you have to let the machine scan your proof of citizenship before it lets you start.

I'd be so pissed if I was at that bar and wanted to play after a few drinks and couldn't cause frigging beardo was hogging it.

WorldWinner was banned in Arizona, which is a skill-game for money website. Rather than get you on rake, they just match you with people who are the best players if you win too much. Basically the anti-bum-hunting strategy.

Saw this on the golf channel and was really annoyed that I can't play poker online.

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/pla...ng-golden-tee/

They have a golden tee machine at the dive bar near my house and they have money games on the machine pretty much every night. I heard the company that owns Golden Tee or has the distribution rights basically leases it to the business (which includes maintenance, wear and tear, etc.) and take a significant slice of the profits. The machine is a gold mine for the bar.

Yes, keep wishing.

And I would personally like to thank you for all the help you have provided, Albino Lord, in:

Getting Kevin Raley and 2 other Colorado poker players acquitted on charges of illegal gambling for having poker tournaments in their local bar;

Fighting all the way to the South Carolina Supreme Court in the attempt to get poker declared a game of skill exempt from illegal gambling laws (the case was won in the lower courts but was ultimately lost 3-2 when the chief justice decided she could not vote for the correct result as it might bring back video poker machines);

Fighting and winning in Kansas and Pennsylvania, only to be told by appellate courts that our evidence did not matter;

Fighting in Virginia to legitimize charity poker rooms only to be told by that Supreme Court that you cant file such cases in Virginia;

Fighting and winning in federal court only to be told on appeal that even if poker is a game of skill it does not matter under federal law (the DiCristina case); and, most recently,

Fighting and having two poker players in Idaho get their charges of illegal gambling dismissed by convincing a judge that texas hold 'em is "overwhelmingly" a game of predominantly skill.

Pretty worthless indeed ... unless, of course, you are one of the poker players facing criminal charges.

And, again, thanks for all you do.

Skallagrim