Thanks, I wasn't involved in the thread at the time so I couldn't remember.

From Gregorio, I'd assume, since he was the mod involved in the thread and he's gone.

Well done, greg.

So he was wrong. So were dozens of other people. **** happens.

Well, would you look at that. Only 101 posts and the best question I've read at least the last page in the HS thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2275

Who'da thunk it?

For all I know, he's a HS reg, but yeah...very good question.

Somebody needs to remind high stakes regs that they need to stop polluting our thread with their high-minded lectures and condescending barbs.

This is not some issue that only affects an insular HS community. This is arguably a bigger scandal the UB superusing scandal and brings into question the entire integrity of the game. If this doesn't get cleared up then a lot of people will lose faith in the fairness of the games and guess what, no fish for the HStards to fry.

why do you think its a good Q? even without other info its easy to know that all high stakes play was by either Haseeb or Dan A better Q would be to ask if he intended to use Girah account to play a Durrrr challenge. Step to it padawan!

Anyone come out of this thing just feeling a kind of over all sense of sadness? I mean, at least, if all the stuff that seems to be true about DIH manipulating just about every conceivable thing there is to manipulate, along with JungleMan's apparent willingness to trust and all around too-nice-for-his-own-good type guy, is actually true.

It's a good question because Tyler is a well known player/pro, I believe - there's no conceivable way JM could have played him and not known he was essentially scamming another pro, since Tyler would be playing JM without knowing it was JM.

Given that it was only today, and somewhat tentatively, that JM even admitted to playing on Girah's accounts, potentially locking him into a session where he WON against another known player would be very useful information to have, IMO.

its been like that for ages, Ashman repeatedly got took for a mug, some might say AeJones $50k baskbetball prop bet with him was a scam but the nature of these shores is that to win you have to trust yourself, and if you can trust yourself, you far too easily trust others. Its been going on since the beginning of the free world.

Said often in the Subject Poker interview:

Questions about the bluff challenge are very relevant - essentially because that is where many of the visible loose threads lie.

(Maybe you should also post the contents of these posts in spoilers - I'm not sure HSNLtards know how to click links to NVG)

Anyway, during the segment 2(a) of JM's interview he talks about playing 4 sessions (? mathces?) on the girahh account - saying that he played at 25/50PLO and 50/100NL (all HU) - or maybe one time at 25/50NL and that these were probably in April with one (or just possibly more) in May.

That looks like strong circumstantial evidence for him playing the matches against TylerSmith, Arnie etc. Against is JM's bizarre claim that Jose would have won the Bluff challenge if he (JM) hadn't played PLO on the account. But is did that just mean that the girahh account would have won? idk - so much relative truth

And what about the loss of the 90k for winning. Does JM feel that he cost Jose - or maybe the group - that money? If not, why not?

listening to the vanessa interview, sounds like haseeb was setting up a stake and trying to get alot of jungelman's money tied up into a staking deal with jose, then jose would dump money to people playing highstakes and those people would be accounts controlled by haseeb, it would just look like jose lost money, jungleman would pump more $ into the stake, but those other accounts jose was playing was really haseeb so the $ went straight into haseebs pockets. this probably been said before, i dunno, this is fascinating this story to me.

why?

I'm kind of surprised by the HS thread right now, which seems stuck on rescuing or theorizing about JM and hasn't been actively questioning the excellent post by NJ detailing some of the "girahh" account activity.

Surprised, and disappointed. I wonder if now that they have their JM interview, they are going to back off?

Yeah, Haseeb was freerolling Ashman by getting Jungle to pay it. Then Haseeb was freerolling his debt to Jungle by scamming his share of the stake with Jose.

This is where it gets sad/shady. Haseeb was taking advantage of Jungle's disregard for money as well his lack of understanding of nefarious motives. Jungle thought it was perfectly normal to stake someone playing $5/$10 with $100k.

Im guessing JM just lost about 10m in ev! sponsorships, endorsments

Vanessa was awesome
Oh and good job as always Noah.

I assumed that this was fizzling out, but now idk. It's puzzling to think about what happened at the end of this Bluff challenge.

Ok, so JM plays the 4/5? sessions on the girahh account. The account wins the bluff challenge, maybe because of the chipdumping. (Btw, JM claims that Haseeb was the dumper from the SamChuahan account, but omitted to say who was being the dumpee on the girahh account.) Now Jose has to do all the media round to lie about the challenge and say that he would have won except for his backer playing 1299 hands of PLO on the account, in order to protect JM's reputation - because "that was more valuable to the group". Except he wouldn't have without the chipdumping and JM playing the sessions.

Or is it that Jose insisted on the chipdumping and he woudn't have won without it and might not have been looked at by Lock (but why not even if he was second given the strange late run?). So now he goes out and lies to save JM's reputation to make up for possibly drawing attention to JM having used his account. [That version might explain why the troll Kenny Craig was saying "Jose is a b*****y liability" over the Bluff challenge, something she studiously avoided explaining last night.]

wow, the highstakes thread is really ******ed.

then u got stinger chiming in.

ugh, couldnt take it anymore. adam schwartz is a genius for popuralizing the word "cringeworthy".

idols are dropping like flies lastly

I see this as being VERY worrisome.

If he had basic knowledge on encryption and sent a remote access trojan, if it was setup correctly this would allow the creator to have full control over the infected computer. What this means is that all hole cards could be seen, could access cashier if player was logged in etc. Ive heard of these being used for poker purposes in the past.

I disagree. To me he just sounds awkward. He just finds it hard to get things from his brain to his mouth.

I think the interview showed how naive JM is. How he is convinced that Haseeb would never scam him, Which is shown as he only questions haseebs motives when Noah and vanessa make it obvious that something wrong was happening.

Might JM have done something wrong and unethical during this scandal. Sure and he probaly did, but i think that Haseeb was the puppet master pulling all the strings.

Am hearing the interview and can say this:
1 - Jungleman seems to be hiding a lot.
2 - He is very inarticulate.
3 - The sites should start investigating more into this, including posting the IP addresses used by Haseeb's, Girah's and Jungle's accounts.

Definitely agree with this. Seems like one of the only good things that could possibly come out of this scandal. She deserves it for all the work/time put in throughout this. Seems like an easy +ev move for 2+2 IMO...

social ******s

No offense to SGT RJ but RangeyMcTriplemerge did a lot more "work" for this scandal, starting months ago and got a lot of flack for it while RJ wrote cliffnotes in the last few days.