Jungle is saying a lot of stuff like "Umm, let me think that for a sec..." etc. Some people seem to think that makes him look guilty, but I beg to differ. First of all he probbaly wants to think for a while and be as clear as he can be, so that he wont say something he doesnt really mean, and stuff that can be open for misinterpretation. Another thing is, that he probably doesnt really remember a lot of it very well. Like when asked "When was this?" he cant really answer it presicely because it's all the same to him. He doesnt care what day/week/month it is, he is a professional poker player and has very little things he HAS to do.

Regarding the stake, he seemed to trust Haseeb a lot, and probably really didnt care too much of the 50k he was investing. he figured let Haseeb take care of stuff, he is just financing. I can easily believe this, since he seems to not care THAT much of the money. and it's understandable, he has made million in relatively short period of time, and probably figures he can make a lot more in the near future as well.

some people are questioning Jungle's ability to choose his friends. and yes, Haseeb is probably not a very good friend, but Haseeb has been part of the community for a long time, and has built a relationship with many people along the way. I think there is nothing strange in jungle's trust on Haseeb. I mean a lot of people were ready to vouch (curse word!) for Haseeb a few weeks ago. Even after hell broke loose Ashton was writing how trustworthy both of them are.

I think they all deserve a 2nd chance.

Yo Jose, get up, dust yourself off kid, come back new and improved.


NVG and pretty much all forums love scandals. People are bored just hoping some major league scandalous **** comes out.

Don't confuse that with people really being pissed off at you, there's maybe a handful or two of people really mad, everyone else is bored, just glad there's a juicy scandal unfolding.

JOSE COME BACK, IN A YEAR MAX, NOBODY WILL CARE.

Matter of fact I would love it if you 3 still moved in together and said eff em, let's play bi***es!

Jungleman is not so rain man after all..

Loving in pt2 of Jungle's interview how he seems amazed at why he is being asked if he is lying about certain things "Why would I lie about that??" before going on to admit to lying about practically everything.

Has 'x' been revealed?

Thank you for the Cliffs.

Thank you to Noah and Vanessa (she deserves more love!!)

You probably can never clean up poker in its entirety, but that does not mean you shouldn't try when you can.

Regarding the chip dumping one more thing Lock investigate the last day HU match and the money was passed in "normal" play.

Why simulate a game of "normal" play to chip dumping?

Pay rake?

If DIH really did not know the bluff challenge was happening he had passed the 100k in 3 hands.

So another bs lie.

so haseeb couldnt pay JM back $150k, or ashton in the first place for 300k, but he has 100k floating around that he can directly wire to the sam chaucan account? where did that money come from?

Thanks for the cliffs SGT RJ

Tayler Smith is a long time HS player in the merge network.

INeverFold is a HS portuguese player that is pissed off because he now knows he played JM and not Girah.

So at least this two were not used to chip dump.

This is actually a valid point. I personally didn't read too much into his pauses and "Umm...." for both this reason, and the fact that some HS players who actually know him have stated this is normal for him.

In a situation like this, even if I were completely innocent, I'd want to think about the exact wording I wanted to use, particularly if I knew that hundreds if not thousands of internet geeks were going to examine my words in depth.

But I think JM isn't being completely forthright, has some suspect ethics, and is an extremely poor judge of character, not to mention the fact that is in, in fact, guilty of lying, ghosting, and multiaccounting (how you weigh those "crimes" is up to you, of course).

Also, just in case anyone else catches it, I PMed Noah to add a line about us knowing that the excuse of not being able to transfer the $100K on Lock is bull****. I don't know when it will get added, but I trust it will get added once Noah comes back around.

On the off chance this isn't a joke -

X was DIH's admission that he chip dumped to Jose during the Lock challenge. He denies it was to win the challenge, instead stating that it was to get the money to Jose for a stake, and that you can't transfer that much on Lock.

We now know that he could have transferred the amount legitimately on Lock, so most people conclude that DIH is full of **** when he says he didn't know about the challenge when he made the chip dump.

I was just reading the "I am Jose 'Girah' Macedo' thread, and I have to say, that kid's English is way too good. Maybe suspicious even. There's no way an 18-year-old from Portugal can write like that. Someone should investigate.

Actually he is even more of a rainman now. rainman was pretty god damn awkward socially, as is Jungleman. He has stated this himself before, that he is no expert in social situations. Obviously nothing as bad as the real rainman, but worse than average human being.

DC flat out admitted TWICE in the interviews that ethics are subjective and can be twisted. Which is an obvious and interesting idea, and lol how he went on a tangent both times, but also very alarming as if the idea was planted into his head or even worse if he came to the conclusion as a just for the means.

He's a very interesting human being regardless.

I'm still chilled by the scripted poker strategy interview and the extra serious allegations it connects to JM.

edit: The most damning evidence for JM's innocence came by when he mentioned he was trying to cheer haseeb up and didn't really understand why he'd been moping around.

Because chip dumping is illegal according to the rules of I believe every poker site. So if you want to dump money to someone, you need to make it look real so it wont go under investigation. it doesnt matter whether there is a competition going on or not. Making it look good makes perfect sense.

JM, DiH, Jose here's your new image. Run with it, you'll be surprised by your popularity. Quit quivering in the corner like scared puppies if anyone has a problem tell em bring it to the virtual felt.

Not a level, i haven't read all posts.
Thanks for your reply and cliffs.

paging ZeeJustin for his take on this statement

Liv Boeree??

+1

Hs regs attitude towards NVG is totally delirious. If it wasnt for NVG, nobody would talk about all that ****., and they would still be getting owned hard.

ehh, they generally have interesting discussions and would welcome people with pertinent stuff to add, which usually isn't the case. msnl-FR might be even more exclusive.

Transcript of part of the JM interview:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2241

Not necessarily true, because you can get your account locked if you are obviously chip dumping. His reason for making it look real could have been to prevent the accounts from getting locked (for illegal chip dumping).

Also, Jungleman refused to offer an apology for playing on someone else's account due to the fact he ended up losing money. That is a moot point and is irrelevant to whether he owes an apology or not. He cheated the other player out of EV.

JM's interview is cracking me up because whenever he says Girah it sounds like he's saying Gyro.