Only if it's spelt Pole, and the only option is Bastard!

Another mistake by BBZ, why now say we can still do it. He wanted get some of Ginge's subscribers/viewers that was the only reason Ginge was offered a spot.
It does sound like Ginge didnt help the situation by bad mouthing BBZ's site, but Ginge's rep is damaged and he has suffered most in this cock up, muck sticks.
You wouldnt sign a footballer without watching him play!

Unless you're Graeme Souness. #AliDia

that was the most unprofessional and unnecessary internet beef. lol.

It's like if I hired a felon as an independent contractor, found out later they're an ex-con, and posted a video about how I hired a bad guy and will now gladly pay $1k for the background check and post it publicly for reasons.

what a time to be alive

Welcome to poker!

Not starting a course of BBZ like I planned.
Didnt know these guys are such shady.

Glad I didnt start and booked a RIO course today.

Thanks for the thread as it prevented me from booking a BBZ course!!!

Jordan butchered GingePoker reputation

Am I the only one who thinks "I make poker simpler so they didnt like it" is a weird reason?

Wouldn't simplifying poker strategy make your product (the course) more accessible thus increasing sales? idk

Weird take, Jordan certainly comes off bad here. What has Ginge actually done wrong? There's no evidence to suggest he's lied, just hearsay at this point.

On the other hand you have Jordan throwing a hissy fit because he didn't do any due diligence. Ginge has been publicly streaming for months, the fact that BBZ gave zero shits about vetting their coach before paying for the material harms BBZ brand, not Ginge's.

The whole thing makes BBZ look amateurish. Am sure they won't make this mistake again but If I was to look at Jordan's video out of context, like many will, I'd think he was just a bit of a ****.

I do think this reflects poorly on Ginge, but looks significantly worse for BBZ.

Now I want to see the course.

so they had a deal for 30k, one guy held up his end of the bargain and produced the material, and the other guy shorted him 25k? is that what occurred?

What has Ginger done wrong? Asking money for a product that teaches you to make 10% psb otr ip?

If I agreed to pay you 30k to build an extension On my house

Then I come back, you've used different coloured bricks, wires are hanging out, it's leaking in the roof etc.. it's not the size I wanted.. would I still pay you the 30k?

Also yes BBZ didn't do due diligence. But equally he pulled the product

Have you seen the course that was produced or the specific expectations that they desired from it?

Lol this is an unbelievably flawed analogy

Again, that is on BBZ not Ginge. He didn't ask for money... he was offered money to make a video series for BBZ, said yes, did it, and BBZ had a melt down because apparently it was too much effort to watch Ginge on twitch or youtube.

Lol, that analogy is absolutely mental.

Here's the analogy you're looking for. You asked a builder to do a $30k extension, the builder is your neighbour and has been doing extensions in same street you both live in (twitch lane). You assumed he was good and gave him no instructions. You come back to see an extension you didn't want but was exactly the same as all the other ones he had done in the street. You post a video on youtube about how unfair this is.

Not that I think BBZ handled it well but he had a melt down over ginge insulting his company on twitter, not from the mistake he made in not evaluating his play before having him make the course.

Your post makes complete sense. If a perceived insult has occurred while commenting on a subjective subject, then by all means its completely rational to melt down and make the controversy about a subject that is not the subject.

Yeah, I realise that I'm somewhat glossing over that.

Yes, this seems to be something missed by many in their recaps of events.

I always wonder when people make posts like this, do they think that completely twisting what the other person said actually fools anyone, or makes for a strong argument? It sure doesn't help with a good discussion.

Sounds like they worked everything out privately. Just another instance where a simple call between the two would have sorted everything out, instead of being an attention whore on social media.