I always found it a bit sus how Ginge started streaming 500z and crushing immediately using an unconventional style. Then within a couple of months he's selling a 'Ginge Poker Academy' to desperate micro stakes players for $3000 a pop.

The thing is that BBZ's argument is that Ginge is objectively bad at poker due to lines he takes - not that he's bad due to results or whatever.

You know that thing where you see a single hand by an unknown player get to showdown and you snap-mark him as a fish because he overcalled a 3b in the sb with K9o? BBZ's kinda doing that

I saw this too , I am confused how BBZ says he paid $30k having the course made but Ginge got $5k out of it after they released it then pulled it off market after an hour or so and called Ginge to say he can't sell it. (Ginge alleges on this phone call BBZ wouldn't even tell him why they pulled the course, just that its best for both of them if they just move on)

On podcast Ginge said bbz estimated course would sell about 200/month and probably more the first month ($100/ea) and he would be the main cash coach getting 50% of the sales revenue - this seems insane that somehow bbz didn't review any of this content or course until launch day it seems? When Ginge has like 100 youtube videos of him play and explaining 500z for his style.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...1-20-08-02.mp4

This is flawed.

I guess you have to give him props for not just selling the (in his opinion) bad content anyway..

That said, I agree that if you want to sell a premium product you need a better process of selecting who you work with.

So a poker player exaggerated his results for monetary gain? I’m shocked, I says, shocked.

Maybe you got the timestamp wrong, but the hand at 52 seconds he won the hand with full book Aces over Fives(opponent folded river)

So there's a guy who identifies as his businesses name, which is an acronym, for Big Bluff Z(inc)??, who just blindly threw a bunch of money at this leather cowboy hat wearing charlatan and is now posting threads/vids "exposing" them. What is to gain from such a stunt? I mean the guy makes a living off staking good players to take from bad players and bad players eventually finding his training site and giving him money directly. Is he just trying to sell this image that he's just a really nice guy and wouldn't want any bad players in poker getting HIS attention/HIS money? It's kinda like this dominick nitzche bencb thing where he said good things about RYE/ben for years then just attacks him after spending many years dumping money into his app he's ready to shill. High level poker circles just has autism levels bouncing off the charts there will never be a shortage of social disasters like this that are just transparent to those who are lacking robot brains.

=> Ginger's have no soul
=> Can't soulread a ginger
=> Print 5bb/100 @ 500z
=> Checkmate atheists

Thank God there are high stakes live cash games at

Um nope don't believe I did.

But the hand doctor upswing posted is a little bit more critical than the hand posted.

You might be able to comprehend this one a bit better.

yeah, if jordan didn't post under a sock puppet, hell even if he did still use the sock puppet and just said "we reviewed his course and didn't feel like it was up to our standards and decided not to sell it" he would have come out of this looking amazing

I've got it at 99.6% river shove. Players make mistakes though, no one plays perfect GTO every hand so this one doesn't seem too bad to me. His thought process is more alarming than the hand itself.

Exactly. It doesn't factor in the hat. I estimate it to be worth 5-15bb/100.

Yeah wasn’t the BBZ guy the guy who folded the 2nd nut flush to Limitless min raise on river with 4 high

That hand was one of the worst I’ve seen.....

Slightly off-topic, but I've found the times Ginge has alluded to girls (i.e. paying for Thai sex workers) to be disconcerting.

Like I don't care if he does that ****, but for a grown-ass man to talk about it to his audience with sense of glee? Really cringe, something a loser 17-yo would do.

Another new account, HI BBZ EMPLOYEE.

I've watched a lot of his streams and videos. He has not said anything like this, other than a passing joke.

Wow BBZ, you are really trying to bury ginge and hurt his character, huh? Careful there may be a defamation lawsuit.

no, he definitely has talked about this ****. Also some clip talking about having sex with a trans prostitute.

I do think that some of these posters might be affiliated with BBZ lol.

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Net winning over 1.5m playing unconventional style [ ]
Sell your strategy to a staking/coaching site for 30k [ ]

Pick one..

Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but at the end of this video he shows 2 graphs which combine for ~100k hands and I think a little under 5 evbb/100 :

https://youtu.be/3q6OuKRbQIU

Second graph is unlabeled though, so who knows what it’s from.

to be fair he says it was in macau, depending on timeline and game selection you wouldn't need to be very good to suceed there

i did very well there and most of forum would agree i suck at poker

''it was so weak that we couldn't sell it''

.... implying that if it were still weak or mediocre but above a certain low bar, they would still sell it.

hmmmmm. i guess that's standard practise for training sites though, even RIO's essential videos seem pretty weak to me

I love 2+2
Has the community come to a decision after 4 sites ITT? Who is the balabol? Ginger cowboy or dude with huge eye bags?