Are BBZ accusing ginge of sending them faked results? If not, BBZ need to first sort out their own internal management. If the only due diligence they did was ask "what is your winrate?" then they're ****ing idiots.

Are there any first hand reviews on the Ginge Poker Academy from students who have been in it? I'm curious if they thought it was poor content.

When I looked at the GPA website a couple months back, what the academy offered didn't sound to me like a great deal relative to the price.

jordan has had a stable for a while

Not taking sides but I heard ginge poker say ‘most endbosses sell for 5k nl cause it’s so foolish to keep that much money liquid’. That seems wildly inaccurate as he must be delusional about the bankrolls of these ‘endbosses’ he speaks of. You only need maybe a mill liquid to be extremely well rolled for 5k cash. No idea of his winrate or other achievements

This post is pretty funny considering BBZ's standing in the poker world

Which begs the question of why such a prestigious guy makes a burner account to draw attention to how incompetently and unprofessionally he runs his coaching business

He could be a crusher and he could be 100% correct this ginge fella is full of it, but this thread and that video is so cringe, pure self inflicted wound

Just lol at the thread title, just look at how stupid he assumes everyone to be to think some random bystander created a 2p2 and YouTube account to share a video - yeah someone who witnesses that without any skin in the game just randomly thinks of 2p2 yet didn't already have an account????

This entire thing he's calling out the integrity of someone else yet doing it from behind a sock puppet and people here seem not to see any contradiction there.

Well, this is where world views collide I guess because I think it's a close to zero chance that it's Jordan (guy in the vid) who made this thread and recorded that youtube video

100% this.
If BBZ has not done the work on verifying a coaches results then they have no right to come out and call someone bad, its in fact their own fault. If they are gauging results on what ginge has said then it shady of ginge to take 30k on unverified word of mouth ( also a bad part on BBZ).

It's clear from watching ginge that he would not beat the games for 5bb/100. This is evident from how far from GTO he deviates in his youtube videos and from content that i have seen.

It also clear to most other nosebleed regs here that it would take 1 normal person with a solver verifying the content is legitimate by simply running his content through a sim and seeing how far from GTO he is deviating, if it is massive then simply BBZ need to come out with a video simply showing this.

It is really not that hard and paying other coaches an amount to verify this just seems dumb and a ploy to gain attention to something that really doesnt need to be.

Facts
- Guy is deviating from GTO massivly.
- technicalities and portrayal of his skills is losing in ev to a 200nl player wanting to get better.
-BBZ may have jumped the gun in getting this course up and running based on what Ginge has said to them (warrants some kind of action)
- Course may/may not be up to scratch and therefore warrants some kind of internal review.
-Guy seems to be using his GG poker sponsorship and sitting high stake games to mask his skill level which enables him to sell coaching/put himself in spots that attains a higher ev when in reality the guy probably wouldnt beat 1knl.

Why is bbz trying to start some drama from their own mistakes and seem to blame it on the guy that did what he was told, so ridiculous. If they really wanted to create a good course they wouldn't have asked ginge in the first place, they just wanted to make a quick buck from his popularity.

BBZ coaching is at best mid tier.

https://imgur.com/a/gl07Gjw

Hand i am refering to.

Youtube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygjZuWUYjkI

Timestamp 52 seconds

This is not winning.

This.

Hey you could be right and this jolly fella is some deeply deranged soul or someone here saw an excellent troll opportunity

unless more was said, ginge said about the nicest possible thing he could have said while still allowing him to save face - which again as a businessman, jordan should have anticipated there'd be questions about why it fell through and there's no way this guy was going to say "well it turns out I'm a big fraud lol"

this jordan fella could have saw that it was chalked up difference of opinions and left it that, hell, they should have even agreed upon an official reason when they decided not to proceed

but instead filmed a trilogy in rebuttal that starts off chill but you can see how angry he is as he gets progressively worked up and keeps coming back to say more

He then shares it on whatever platform that is, it certaintly looks like jordan is looking to draw attention to this

Occam's razor says jolly is the very same guy screaming into his phone on the video

The tweet that probably set BBZ off:

Ahh, I missed the bs part, that was very stupid of him, walked right into this mess

I thought ginge was awesome until he started selling three thousand dollar courses. I thought he was cool until he signed as a gg pro, you'd think someone who supposedly made 1.5mil pound wouldn't be so swayed by the money. Now this is happening...

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100bb eff
LJ opens to $11
btn AJss 3! to $42.5
LJ 4! to $122
btn peels

seems fine no?

flop AcTh5c

LJ leads $61
btn calls

AcTh3c5s $370

LJ check
btn ck

AcTh5c5sAd
LJ check
btn bets $185

No, river is a 99% shove and a 0.4% 25% bet otr
The way he talks about the hand is massively -ev for anyone wanting to improve , this is one hand example of an expoitive play vs a reg.
This is not a play that a reg winning at 5-7bb would make.

Note he explains this sizing as ;
"What sizing do i need to use to make villian go broke"
The solver output only shows this as 99% shove and a 0.4% 25%.
If i as a coach is charging someone 30k and i as a coaching site saw this, i would be on tilt too. Especially if i was basing my business decision on simply word of mouth. So i think that both parties are at fault here.

Seems totally standard to me. Maybe bet 1/3 or 40% on river. No clue what the guy saying it's not winning is talking about

Why would your opinion of someone change because they decide to sell the course for an amount?
1. Because you know better and think the course is worth x amount?
2. Because you are simply following the band wagon of people bashing someone because they dont know any better?

Why would someone joining a site be uncool?

Someone who claims they make any amount of money would still put themselves in a spot to make more money.

It seems alot of you just jump on the band wagon of bashing people, there really isnt any need for it. People can be cool/uncool for making their own decisions. It does not make them a bad person or for the latter a worse or better coach.

This is a fact, 30% or 40% isnt a bet sizing here as it is not balanced. Run the sim yourself. Although alot of you jump on the band wagon of its fine/ this person is uncool.

Look at the facts, unless you know better.

Did I miss a video, or are you talking about the one in the OP?

Lol it can be balanced if you do it with the correct hands. What the hell are you talking about?

I ran the sim 33% is preferred with any hand were betting (74% of our range) minus ATs shoving 10% with 5ish% of 88 and 99 also

You are confusing me here. He played the hand exactly how solver would except he went half pot on river

Classic.

The AJ hand is at worst slightly suboptimal from a GTO point of view and it might even be the ideal sizing exploitatively. Something like the QJ hand here is awful any way you look at it though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60UdCps9N-g&t=685s