What the title says,

I've always thought this guy was a bit shady, something didn't add up, seeing him play then claiming absurd win rates I doubt Sauce could even achieve.

What do you guys think?

7bb at 500z?
sure..why not..

maybe it's in his dreams? ��

Ginge replied, claims he didn't mention any win rates, is BBZ lying?

Who cares?

It's poker news, Ginge makes a lot of money from coaching and he's being called out for being bad, if you don't care then take your negativity elsewhere

umm... why does that guy in the op video have a bug up his butt over whether or not someone is a good player, why does he care? maybe i'm missing some context here but he comes off super insecure and douchey, i don't even know who ginge is but even if that guy is right, who cares? only person this reflects poorly upon is himself

jolly ranchere i assume is his new alt account yeah? weird flex creating an account here just to post this.

is ginge your ex or something and you want him back?

Can someone please tell me if those two guys are in any way relevant and therefore thread worthy?

TLDR:

Ginge is a 500z streamer and former live cash player. He was asked by BBZ to create a cash game course. Ginge does, but at the last second, it's taken down. Basically this vid explains why, ginge is fake and the course wasn't good.

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ty, both are extremely relevant in todays climate also imo

Why is the BBZ guy so upset? How much did he pay Ginge for the coaching package? Did he pay it in the end OR not?

Not sure, looks like Ginge did an AMA and someone asked him what happened. He responded they pulled it last minute. He said he thinks it is because he makes poker simpler, which means they can't sell a bunch of complicated BS.

So it appears he is calling out BBZ to a point.

Update:



BBZ claims he has texts of ginge saying his win rate, ginge claims he never stated any win rates.

Very dangerous teritory here, if the course was made based on ginge claiming high win rate then I don't think BBZ should be liable to pay him (if there was talks of payment anyway which I'm not sure) in my opinion, thoughts?

Well, he should have reviewed the material at an earlier stage and determined if it is any good. He let him finish the whole package and then cancel it? IMO, it's on him.. He has himself to blame.

Unless of course Ginge was full of **** and faked his winrate.

BBZ said on insta 30k and that it's terrible.

True. I think it's a fair point.

Pretty sure Ginge has been clear that he plays 500z to practice against good competition/get better and his main game is live. I have never seen him claim he is crushing 500z. He has hours of content on YT and Twitch, so it is easy for anyone potentially hiring him to see his game.

Doesn't really matter, if he claimed to Jordan (BBZ) that he has these win rates then it's an issue.

Definitely, but it is pretty easy to ask for graphs/screen shots before hiring them, right?

Guess so, Ginge is a sponsored GG pro and gets a lot of twitch views, I'm guessing he thought he could trust him.

1. whoever that video guy is, he comes off really douchey and unprofessional
2. comes off as horrible at managing his business, lol at not bothering to pay any attention until after all the work has been done
3. will make all future prospective coaches strongly reconsider whether or not they wish to work with him if after the fact he also decides their content is bad as well
4. if this terrible player streams, then why didn't he watch some streams first to see how terrible he is?
5. not fooling anyone posting "anonymously" with this jolly rancher account
6. so unaware he has no idea how this reflects poorly on him not some random player

none of this means that he is wrong that ginge is misleading people about himself or that he provided terrible coaching - that could very well be the case

but dude clearly has issues going well beyond the scope of this own event which is pretty clearly a problem of his own creation - in no industry would contracting out work of a subjective nature just be ignored and left alone without any checkups, recommendations or supervision, and there's no way on earth they'd ever be paid up front for it either

ginge could easily make a similar video pointing out how much this guy sucks balls at running a business and pay a consultant 1,000 an hour to point out how poorly structured his company is and how idiotic his pr/marketing strategy is to become lightning rods like this

i never once heard of this coaching group until they create alt accounts to bad mouth an employee of their lolcatz

The creating of the course was way prior to him being the sponsored pro at GG.

Everything was fine until the end. Jordan is a boss. If you don’t know about big bluffz inc that’s your problem. Since Jordan is a boss he can call people out as he pleases. $1k an hr is no joke

Ginge said in a podcast that Jordan contacted him at the last minute, told him they weren't going to be publishing the course and paid him $5,000 for his trouble.

I have no dog in this fight, I am just adding relevant piece of info.

Good one.