Historically poker has regulated the mix of recreational versus professional players by offering varying stakes for play. If a recreational player moves up in stakes, he/she is going to see a greater mix of professional opponents. Online, it is the same as it ever was.

If a group of recreational players wants to play only among themselves, there are online businesses that will offer private games. Alternatively, they can go play on some playmoney site and settle up among themselves.

These days online low stakes is like 80% bots and need to move up to HS just to play against real people. Do you play online? It’s not the same as it ever was.

Is it really that hard to understand what they're doing, or why they're doing it?

Its pretty simple really, ithey have no issue if you're a regular winner on the site along asyour not actively targeting players or abusing them.

All there really doing is creating an environment where "good intentioned" professionals exist. In other words successful players who not only want to promote the game of poker, but also contribute back to the community by offering their experience, knowledge and time.

Theyre aware of their checkered past, so now they need to create a new image, a new brand and a new vision - one that won't let them down the same path. That is to reduce or restrict the top earners who give nothing back - "if your going to be successful on our site then you will work with us to help promote our site and let the community know that our site is where to play".

It does not look like Duddi will be back to tell us what the “misinformation” was in the GG article in Pokernews.

sick brag bro we're all gonna be really sympathetic when you start your own "GG froze my acct" thread

Nothing you posted addressed my point about recreational players having options to play among themselves.

Also, you're talking gorgonzola, when its brie time, baby. "Bots" and "pros" are not synonymous terms.

That’s because your point is somewhat moot when most people are not well connected enough to access such a game easily

So what do they do? Well they like poker ...so they give it/have given online a shot. Got destroyed. Did not have fun. Someone abused them when they won a pot. They do not return

This is what happens with online poker or even live poker when the pro-rec ratio is balanced incorrectly

Well that was no surprise at all. When GG released their statement Duddi announced it “was full of inaccuracies” and was going to retire to address them

Why on earth, I mean....if he was a genuine and honest person, why he wouldn’t just address them immediately with THE TRUTH is hard to fathom

I’d say he conferred with those posters/his friends who backed him up, and encouraged him to tell a pack of lies in his OP, and together they realised the gig was up. GG was telling the truth on the situation and 2+2 couldn’t be deceived so it was best to stop digging before the multiple reasons for his banning were laid out for all to see

GTFO shill

It’s one of the most coherent posts in this thread

just make sure you don't actual win

maybe they mean Regs dont get emotional and fret over every single bad beat. Where as Recs cuss and scream and holler and go on tilt when someone sucks out on them.

I'm not going to play on GGpoker while I'm risking future EV for possible outcomes that might determine me not able to play on the site anymore. For what ever reasons they hold me accountable for.

This is ridiculous.

Have I missed something. Has there been an actual documented situation where GG has kept someone’s money, and banned them, just for being a winning player. Or are we still talking about the guy who got banned for bumhunting and told never to return

Phil your Twitter post is embarrassing. As a CEO You don’t attack competing companies

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Yes



Also thank you Phil for standing up and helping the community towards a better future. Please ignore weirdos giving you a hard time over taking a high moral stance

well have they ever banned a losing player? If not then winning must be at least part of the equation.

I'm really enjoying playing on GGPoker. As someone that's played for over a decade now it's by far the most engaging and innovative online poker software I've ever played on. They do so many little things right with it and coming from someone that is use to playing 10+ tables on average across multiple networks it's one of the only sites out there where I can still fire up two to three tables in my downtime and feel like I'm having fun.

I think RunItOnce poker is also on it's way to having a similarly engaging software and also very innovative on that front. Both networks I think really understand poker from entertainment perspective first which is why people start playing the game to begin with in most cases.

In relation to what the original topic is about I do think it's Ok for GGpoker to tell players to leave that they don't feel add value to their product as long as those players are allowed to keep their funds, baring they didn't break any rules. As a player, I'd be a bit cautious if I were only to be some sort of specialist in one game or niche on their site. Especially at lower to middle limits where liquidity is fine regardless of whether you are in the game or not.

You know that saying" You must give action to get action."? Well I think some professionals understand this a bit better than others and regardless of direct bumhunting or not you aren't adding much value to a site if you just camped out in some highly liquid game that you are a clear specialist in.

Hahaha seriously??
If you're a winning player on GG poker and you're worried about losing your winnings, then I would say you're guilty of doing the **** they accuse of lol

Poker is a niche market in the gambling industry, it should be obvious that companies are looking for a negreanu type to promote their business especially because word of mouth holds so much trust..and they will do whatever is necessary to achieve that.

Best way for GG to do that is to thin out the professional field to have "controllable" professionals. Amateurs within the site will aspire to become GG sponsored pro's who will be relatable and approachable - round and round it goes.

It's not some secret, some might argue its just ethics.

So in short only GG Shills are allowed to win.

This post right here is probably the dumbest post i've ever seen on 2+2.

If GG didnt want people to bumhunt then guess what they would do, stop bumhunting by introducing anonymous reg tables just like ignition or RIO. They could literally stop bumhunting overnight and keep all their players BUT that's not what they want to do. They want to have undefined rules so that they can shutdown winning accounts as and when they please.

Congrats, it’s now the second dumbest post on 2+2 after you reading yours. There are multiple ways to stop the practice, anonymous tables is only one way. If you can’t tell the difference between Bumhunting and table selection because it is not clearly delineated as people are arguing here, maybe you should find a new game. Or a different site.

Sorry mate you just took the number 1 spot right out my hands.
You're right there are multiple ways to stop bumhunting, so why doesnt GG introduce any of these methods in a fair way with clearly defined rules?
Please tell me how many times in a session i can change tables before i'm classed as a bumhunter on GG? Oh wait you cant because GG havent defined what they class as bumhunting and what they class as table selection.

I obviously gave the easiest example as to how GG could stop bumhunting overnight, i didn't say it was the only option.

don't feed the nvg troll. bumpnrun thinks there are still 20 tabling nits, shows that he has not played online poker in years, if ever.

And you took it back in the final leg! You presented anonymous tables as the only option to laying out a specific definition of bumhunting. It’s funny that a game based upon incomplete information that requires math skills and analytical reasoning to succeed is your game of choice.

14. Just don’t sit out against the regs when the fish leaves.