Does anyone have details about how to send a complaint to the WSOP? I think it is important to try and make sure that if events are held online again that GGPoker is not the one hosting them. If someone has details please post.

Imagine opening a new sportsbook in the uk, brainstorming a new name, and coming to the conclusion that manbetx or w88 or laba360 would be good names. They mean nothing, and have no relevance to anything in the uk.

Unless you're offered some sort of streamer deal with preferential treatment and are willing to sell out, I wouldn't play there. It's very clear they don't want winning players on their site. Everything from preflop rake, to PVI, to their predatory TOS makes it clear they can and will ban you and take your money if you start winning too much.

Even then I would think long and hard about what you doing. Most streamers are trying to build themselves as brands. Being assiocated with this site is only going to hurt anyone involved.

If you are in it for the quick cash grab then by all means fire ahead.

I find it absurd GGPoker doesn't have an account representative here to give an official statement on their side of the 'Confiscated Funds' thread. Cocky. And lol @ Fedor doing damage control.

Definitely required you making a new thread.

Just got an email from Natural8 saying they've added a rake cap to PLO games. It's on the omaha page on their site. I can't actually find the same info on the GG site.

https://www.natural8.com/poker/omaha

EDIT: https://ggpoker.co.uk/poker-games/omaha/

How does this compare to what they were charging before?

I think it comes down to the legality of it.
Clearly they operate in many grey area's and it is apparently impossible for anyone who got scammed to legally fight them and get their money back.
If there are no consequences to stealing why not do it, they figure.

This may change with regulation, this is why we need regulation.
In UK they are regulated and have a licence. Has anyone from the UK been banned + funds confiscated for any BS reasons ? Would be interesting to know.

They are applying licences all over Europe right now.
This gives consumers legal power to fight them. I don't think their TOS will hold up in the court of law. Playing a rakerace leader board and get banned for bum hunting all this shenanigans I doubt it holds up. Once their actions have serious legal consequences they will be forced to change course.

Setting up their employees to fail isn't great. When it's one of their best employees it's curious. When his future is then impacted you run.

Imo it was uncapped before this? Hard to find a reason to play gg cash. If you know aces beats kings the rb is basically stars chests and if you win at reg games you will get banned from predatory behaviour. Allso to plo rake on the site it says 2bb but they charge 3bb because of the big hand jp when the pot is over 30bbs. Seems legit.

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Tell me what I did wrong pls

Ye I'm not sure I'd even recommend playing there if it was rake free. This new rake cap is probably an attempt at getting some good press among the pros after everything that's happened.

Yeah obviously everyone is trying to win. You seem to not grasp the difference between playing to win while having fun and not caring deeply about results and playing to win because it’s your main/ only source of income

Asked you a few times but you never have a reasonable explanation for it. Why should poker be different from every other sport and game on the planet which have professionals making their only source of income from it?

The fact GG don't want anyone to win at the game is enough reason not to trust them in my eyes. Say what you want about stars but they don't ban people for being winners even if they have made it more difficult since the amaya takeover.

Yeah no **** I don't grasp that difference, I've been playing for a decade and still enjoy the game so much I can't successfully force myself to take a "free" day. Some/most recs are miserable at the tables. My father started playing micros during the quarantine and he keeps bitching and complaining (and then playing some more).

I would also argue that regs are far less attached to the results. We need to be to survive. God knows I've been owned and humiliated so many times I'd kill myself if I still gave a ****. Recreational players are the ones who need to prove something.


Quit the charade, you just want the games to be such that you can suck at poker and still win. Which is fine. But that's also irrelevant to the topic at hand. Unless you enjoy losing to the rake instead of a reg, GG is not the place to be. And it does not make a crusade against regs in any way commendable, or beneficial to anyone or anything besides GG's shortterm profits.

Poker is popular because it is hard, because it is demanding, because it is a challenge. If you change the rules to kill the edges, BJ becomes way more fun.
fwiw I'm all for systemic changes to make life as difficult as possible for bumhunters. I'm against randomly picking winners and banning them.

There are play money games, seems like that's more for you bro. Other people wanna make money or crush their opponents, whatever their mentality is. It's a competition.... you can't penalize people for being good at competing or else wtf or we even doing here?

Go play some go fish, poker isn't for you.

No we cannot support sites like GGpoker they are scum of earth, STAY AWAY

Who says GG doesn’t want anyone to win? They just don’t want hoards of professionals fouling up the games with their predatory behaviour

I haven’t seen u ask that question and I don’t even understand it. But I’d say the answer is other sports provide some value and 99.9% of poker pros do not. They are also notorious income tax dodgers, unlike other sporting professionals. Laughable really you want to compare such leaches on society with professional athletes

Regs who depend on results to survive care less about results than recs. Right. How deluded are u

Poker is on ESPN it provides entertainment. Comparing poker players to the tax dodging Amazon participate in is also laughable its a rounding error compared to the billions Bezos gets away with yet we don't see you raging about that. Honestly its like building a house on quicksand debating with you but the point remains that you are very naive to think a industry with millions of $ up for grabs should have no professional players and only donks like yourself.

Can you just confirm that in your mind a game that has an annual main event with a 10 million USD top prize we should have no professionals at all we should all just play for fun? The grand slams in tennis only pay 2-2.5 million for the winner but poker that can pay 4x that much should just be played for fun! Your lack of understanding and basic common sense on this matter is astounding.

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it's really confusing to see what's been happening recently. as a serious recreational player myself, i have my account on N8 for almost 3 years. 2 years ago i started to play a little bit, and 1 year ago poker became my main source of income. from 10$ deposit i've managed to grind up to 2k$ profit in tournaments over 10 months, not playing full time but spent quiet a lot of time. since i'm from a pretty poor country that the minimum wage is around 250$/m for a really shitty working conditions, with another 2k$ from other sites it was enough for me to live at the time. i have absolutely cashed out more than i raked by far, and had any problems since then. they were also kind enough to give me some tickets because of the tourneys i've disconnected because of my shitty internet connection, so i am having really hard time to decide either these players are doing something shady or the site itself became a scam.

their promotions are open to exploit, as more than one person could play from an account to grind the leaderboard, and i have also witnessed some kind of predatory behavior and bumhunting myself. but if the case is, they let people to do that kind of activity as long as they generate more rake than they earn/cash out, and ban the players when it becomes non-profitable, that is obviously contradicts to the idea of ''creating a safe poker enviorement for all the players'', it's rather freerolling people then ban them for breaching the rules when they are not profitable anymore.

i am at the moment crushing the microstake cash games, not game selecting at all just clicking the open and playing whatever comes, and going up in the stakes fairly quick. it would be really devastating to get banned after managing to beat the stakes and start making decent-sustainable money since i've put so much time effort and time to do so. any kind of positive experiences there? anyone who grinded their way through the lowest stakes and managed to beat mid/high stakes and not banned, smoothly cashed out and keep doing so? i know it's rare, but isn't there anyone who is not a streamer/affiliate and have ben living on the money that make from there? there are plenty of money confiscating or banning and paying the money cases, but if they are really banning the regulars, shouldn't be there much more?

Wtf? Seriously what do you mean by that? Regs don't care if they win or lose? Or do you mean they take losing better than recs? Emotionally less attached?

You said bum hunting and giving action to some players but not others. I have no clue what you did before or after the warning.

How much did you win on the site for it to be “too much”.?

Your case sounds like you may of been banned without good reason but without going through all your hands I have no idea.

One thing the other threads have shown is a) a lot of players win “too much” because they are breaking TOS or straight up cheating wether it’s ai, third party software or bum hunting. And b) players who cheat have no problem lying. So just because players come here and say I got banned I did nothing wrong doesn’t mean a whole lot....

OP u re 100% right

its obv they steal and scam user
im sure in future ( yes laugh when u want )
fbi will close them its worldwide (users) scam with big money.

for years housebots playing on higher tables etc.

shady site ... very shady

facts: steal $ from winners, they do what they want, lowest license from curacao only $ to get, im sure rng ist not proven from 3rd company. all users with vpn gl ! all players how win gl!

big scam here