The first number my mind went to was not two (or three, including the OP):

Yes, we are in contract with a GG representative.
If we come to an agreement, we'll post it here.

Until we've come up with a reasonable solution, we will not play High Stakes poker on GG.
The lobby is completely empty during peak hours, with 266k players online.

the rake nearly doubled...

if the pros are only negotiating to lower the rake on the higher stakes we know what they are about

"Last edited by Mixgrill; 04-03-2023 at 12:28 PM"

Aaaaah. Nice catch. Shenanigans, I say!

Hey late to the party as was traveling, but yea, the 'large' PS boycott didnt work indeed, but when there has been smaller subsets of players committing, it overall has 'functioned' in that the games didn't run like they used to or all the players that commited followed through. I have 2 examples
1. IIRC 2016 after SNE was cancelled at end of 2015 ~98% of $300-$1000 hyper regs committed to sit out of playing the 25bb hypers for all of Jan. I remember a couple regs said ahead of time they wouldn't participate and a few other regs from other SnG formats also ended up playing (scossett being one of them from hyper sats) and a couple lower stake hyper regs moved up to take some EV, but past that, from what i remember, everyone who committed to the boycott, did indeed sit out. The volume overall went down by 90%+ with the first week or so basically nothing going off.

2. There was a boycott from a huge amount of HSMTT regs in 2019 for a $5200 Turbo Series PKO (link to thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hlight=boycott)
The guarantee was met in the end and I specifically remember many cash game regs entering the MTT along with some lower stake MTT regs (guys I had tagged 'orange' which was my main CG reg tag when I'd just go tag lobbies quickly at MS+). BTW 100% not speaking badly towards anyone at all, just remembering the facts as best as I can.

But every single person that signed up to the boycott, 200+, all did not play. Not a single person caved, same as everyone who signed up for the HS hyper turbo sitout did not cave in
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=163

OP sent you a PM > as you see, I tried to help w spreading the word of sitout in #2 as best as I could and messaged many players and would like to support any way I can and currently do play mostly 5k-20k PLO5

Its not about the fact that its easy to organize ssnl boycott, lower iq of ssnl population not realizing u cant beat games or whatever else, in this thread here.

Its about the fact that HS players openly supported site (obv would never blame them, would do the same in that position) that sets dangerous trends for the whole industry, which puts majority of MSNL-SSNL cash games in scam positions, because at the time it was strictly in their own short term interest.

They all very well knew that any non 2-5k+ players were butfked on that site, and that that site was growing huge, and those 5k+ games (being streamed/posted in news), while they were printing a ton of $, only added extra advertisement to a site (as a matter of fact its the only reason GG would even care about those games on their site in the first place, not because they make a lot of rake from those games, cmon man).

1nvoker openly said on stream `GG will actually eventually kill online poker with their tendencies if it continues in that direction, and will grow further`. This is a fact.

Its just that everyone (incl HS players) only care about their own bottom line at the time (lets not lie to each other, we`re not 12 here), not `integrity long-term sustainability of poker world, fairness` and all the blablablablablabla described/camouflaged in the OP w those cool looking phrases.

That same thing (insane rake w lol pvi etc) was happening to all msnl- play on that very same site site, and that site was setting tendencies for the whole industry on other sites (which is the worst of all it), as GG was getting stronger and stronger the larger with each day (including getting promoted by these very same games being played that were extremely profitable for HS players at the time, obv alongside w a ton of other factors).

p.s. obv the whole `if u dont do X, we`ll leave for PS/WPN or elsewhere were rake is a lot lower etc` empty threat is one big kekW, everyone (starting with GG owners) know that aint gonna work.

This niche doesnt have competition in 2023 realistically speaking.

And reasonably explaining something to scummy asians doesnt strike me with how big avg IQ of HS player should technically be on AVG.
The whole `GG will lose a lot of rake if our games wont continue running at 5k+` argument is a very cute way of exclusively protecting ur own bottom line.

If u translate OP in normal (from veiled) language:

`Please roll back 4 to 7bb rake changes such that a group of 90-150`ish players can continue print a ton of money on ur site (while 1000`s of lower stakes regs all across all platforms will continue to suffer consequences of biggest scam site getting larger and larger and continue setting dangerous trends to the entire industry), and NO - we dont rly care about industry long term sustainability, but we`re gonna pretend we do`.

Maybe the key factor in this post is "266K players online"

Is this group of 90 players primarily NL players? Are any PLO players in the group?

What's the rake for highstakes PLO on GG? Looks like 10/20 PLO on GG is still running strong.

PLO 5k+ on GG hardly ever runs bc of rake. many times a fish open sits without anyone sitting due to it

In regards to people wondering about getting lower stakes rake lowered, GG would have to see a risk of revenue loss before considering it. They will do whatever it takes to increase their bottom line.

People just need to be smarter and more vocal when looking at how rake affects their games. You have scam clubs like Diamond on PokerBros where the rake is so high everyone is losing, yet games run 24/7 at every stake there. Players need to be more well-informed in regards to how badly high rake affects the game.

Hopefully ACR realizes what an opportunity is for them and gets rid of the anonymous lobby and does some marketing in Asia to draw all the Asian players on GG over. Obviously everyone will be looking for a place to play high stakes and it would be great for the games if people could actually watch them.

If this holds up much longer it will affect high stakes tournaments imo.

GG looks so unbelievably greedy, maintain, just stick it to them whilst Stars makes a comeback.

High stakes on Stars is never coming back because of how difficult it is to get money on the site for recs. Many people have echoed this sentiment in the thread.



ACR has a lot of potential though. Any other sites with a shot at significantly increasing the amount of HS games they run? Maybe Coin Poker?

Amazing job so for NL regs. I didn't think you could get this far as I thought there would always just be one rogue reg that would take advantage of the situation and just play. Seems like that has not happened so far.

Keep it up, if you guys are successful this should be a huge wake up call to the PLO community who has been dealing with insane rake for years without doing anything about it

PLO has higher rake. The rake increase for HS NL brought the rake closer to what it is for plo.

Exactly. This was my point.

They only care about their bottom line, not the integerity of the game. They all act like they’re a saint, yet 95% of them purely bum hunt while also breaking more TOCs like VPNing, but they get to decide what’s wrong or right. What now is even funnier is exactly what you said, they continued to support a site that was so shady and destructive long term to the future of poker because of how amazing the games they got to play in, now the moment they’re affected they want to organise a strike and try bring the community into it and raise awareness. It’s just pathetic and laughable..

If OP just was honest about the post being about their bottom line I wouldn’t even bother to comment but the fact they try make it out to be more then that is just sad as mid stakes/micros are virtually impossible to beat on there and they’ve continually made it harder harder while growing by the day with people like yourself with high profiles promoting the site. Don’t ever use the word integrity also then play on a site like GG that has done so many shady things to get where they are that everyone is aware of

ymmv?



It mentions a cap for 25/50 at 0.5bb ($25)
source: https://ggpoker.nl/nl/poker-spellen/texas-holdem/

The recs sitting with no action is the key,they will get bored and withdraw after a couple sessions of no takers.

Hot damn, what a post

Yep, pretty much spot on well put continuation of my thoughts, agree with pretty much all of your post.


p.s. Before that every other site more or less was trying to be (old) PokerStars..

Now Everyone trying to be GG poker (or pokerbros) w extreeeeeeemely low marginal profits to players. Where at heart u got jackpots, huge close to unbeatable rake, delusional rakeback percent numbers etc etc. Anything that can fool you around (slots type mentality) is or will be there.
(I`m not even going into shady markets, VPN`ing, questionable anti-bumhunting rules/warnings and many many other things).

Affiliates were very happy to advertise this site (i wonder why!) before a lot of their own deals got cut same way.

And tons of actual big names support that sht.

Their streamers programs at the time were brilliant (same way as these ultra stakes streamed HS games), what a way to build marketing, even if the end product is one where u can barely beat MSNL- cash games (unless ur willing to play 16h each day for top leaderboard prizes).
MTTs there are still fairly good dont get me wrong.

And thats whats scary.

They shouldn't but Mixgrill is making out everyone should care about poor old HS bum hunters having a rake increase.

Yall can just play on a different site. Or you can start your own site. Or you can complain some more on this website. Or you can go outside and feel the sun. Or you can move out of your parent's basement. Or you can complain some more. Or

People still play online?

The reason why GG Poker is so popular is that many Asian countries cannot play on PokerStars.
I still don't understand why PokerStars gave up on the Chinese market.