What issue is that? Fwiw I have no affiliation with GG so I don't need to address anything, just trying to help paint a clearer picture.

That the top bounty was 220k short of what it was guaranteed to be. A guarantee is meant to be kept, which means the top bounty should be 1 million. Giving more money to players who didn't win the top bounty doesn't help at all, because the issue is that the top bounty was less that it was guaranteed to be.

You luckboxed $780k, your sense of entitlement is pretty disgusting.

In my eyes this doesn't really matter. What matters is the $EV of the bounty, which didn't change. I don't think there would be many people saying "Oh I will never play this 10mil GTD tournament because top bounty is only 780k" and mean it. As I said, the algorithm malfunctioning was not ideal but I also don't really see it as a big problem.

That's a fine perspective to have in general, but not in this case. If this was GG's perspective, then they should not have used the word "guarantee".

A guarantee is like a promise. So, when GG poker advertises a guaranteed $1 million top bounty, they have to stick to their promise! (unless it's sufficiently long before the tournament begins).

All your reasoning about EV etc. would be totally compelling - if they hadn't *promised* a $1 million top bounty. GG doesn't get to say "sure we promised, but actually we're not going to do it because we would have gotten the same number of players anyway!!". Or even "but the $EV was the same for our players!" OP doesn't care about some random counterfactual or what his EV might technically have been. OP cares about getting the money that GG Poker promised him he would get if he won the top bounty. And that's totally fair, because that's what a guarantee means.

ouch thats a bad beat

So if you buy a lottery ticket where the advertised price is 100m. You luckbox the lottery and only get paid 10m you have no business complaining?

Op luckboxed but still got screwed. Any sane person would question this nonsense.

1. Get 780k safe of site.
2. Take legal action
3. **** them

This reminds me of a local casino that had a £50+juice BI tournament with £5k guaranteed, and in the smallest of small letters underneath added "guaranteed with minimum 100 runners"

You need to very carefully investigate the T&C's of this because almost certainly GG will be able to cover themselves legally speaking within their T&C's. The last thing you want is to spend a lot of $ chasing after $ that you have no real change of getting.

That said, scummy move by GG and ethically you should be paid the 220k.

That was exactly my thought. I assume GG has prepared for such cases in their T&Cs. I guess the decision to reduce the top bounty to 780k wasn't a spontaneous one without prior legal assessment on their side. You should seek legal advice and first review the T&Cs to assess whether a lawsuit would have any chance of success.

And as others already mentioned, try to get (most of) your winnings paid out as soon as possible and consider whether you want to continue playing on GG after a possible lawsuit.

Good luck.

I'm a bit confused. If the bounty distribution was erroneous (but the total correct) such that the first place fell $220k short of the guarantee then why would the remedy be to give an extra $220k to those who didn't hit first place (so already received more than they would have done) rather than making good on the guarantee to first place?

was this a blind all-in shootout or was this an actual tournament?

Mystery bounty tournament

and in this case its a mistery that the bounty was "only" 780k haha??

No, but i was wondering if this was a regular tournament or one of those allin shootouts where you dont actually have to play (since people said he luckboxed to first place, gg has a lot of these promo shootouts)

The guy still got robbed 220K

That said he could have started his post with one sentence acknowledging his initial good fortune. That’s what a high EQ post would have looked like, since some of his readers from whom he was looking to get advice from may have been turned off.

Yeah fair play I probably fall into that catergory.

Without completely understand the glitch that occurred, I would have to believe the tournament ended earlier because of the glitch and the number of players left in the tournament exceeded the number of players they planned to give mystery bounties.

lol @ anyone taking GG’s side in this. Distributing 220k to all players seems pretty much admitting they messed up someway somehow. They should have just made it right by giving it to him.

It’s very obvious the reason they distributed it as 4 dollars to a lot of players instead is they are hoping to keep it in circulation.

This is so petty. They should make it right. Idc that the guy is still fortunate to make that much. Changing the guarantee halfway through a tournament is horrendous.

OP please explain what the technical hiccup was and when it happened.

Unbelievable that people are giving the OP a hard time here.

If the top bounty is guaranteed as $1m, they need to pay out $1m. Nothing else matters.

They cannot change this to $780k and distribute the other $220k elsewhere, without violating that guarantee.

That's why it's called a GUARANTEE.

Why is GG having so many issues these days? This was a site which was competent enough to rise from the ground up, rapidly grow, and eventually pass Pokerstars to become the biggest online poker site in the world.

Yet here we are, first discussing an embarrassing superuser scandal there, followed by an opaque and baffling response from them which raised more questions than it answered, and now this weird worming out of a guarantee.

At the same time, they're throwing GG Pro Fedor Holz out there to posture as if they care about "game integrity", while he refuses to answer any questions about the recent controversies.

Oh, and the highly respected Jason Koon abruptly quit, and apparently not on very good terms.

What a difference a few months make.

Remember when the biggest problem with GG was Dan Bilzerian calling Vanessa Kade names on Twitter?

Did anyone get a screenshot of the lobby?

I feel like I am being dumb but if in the lobby it said the top bounty was 780k where is the problem?

Also why would GG give everyone a slice of the 220k? Surely it should be for those who made it to the bounty period.

It's a regular tournament I believe

I do not have a screenshot but I remember the name of the tournament being "210 Mystery (1M Top Bounty)"

what a horrible take. I suppose if you won a 500M lottery and the state said nah you just get 200M you would be perfectly happy

could they have changed it in the lobby at some point? I also dont understand why people who didn't even make the bounty period are getting a share of the bounty

As someone who played the tournament and did not get the 1st place, Im very happy to get my fair payout of 4$ for GGs error.