It makes perfect sense that the people working hardest on their games, studying a bunch, like some big pros listed above might get banned for playing too well. This should surprise no one. About them coming out and defending themselves? I guess its a personal choice, responding wouldn't prove you are right and you would have to go through the hassle knowing full well you arent going to able to play there anymore. We know they are shady, whats a few more +1's going to do?

The guilty will usually stay quiet, so might the innocent.

Ever watch slayerv1fan's twitch streams, he basically knows the right decision in all 6 man hyper spots. That took years of playing and studying. Just busting his ass. He plays the vast majority of his action on Party now, is there any surprise why? Smart likeable guy - gg would not like him playing volume there(except it would be ok solely bc he is a streamer).

Just fwiw, I am the editor of Poker Industry PRO and do not deal with the editorial coverage on pokerfuse at all.

As an aside, and talking generally, Its a difficult subject to cover both sides with speed, when there is little information beyond GG's blog post. These things take time. For example, A lot of tweets from players have been deleted etc. I do not believe we've had a player who has been banned reach out to us with their story (but I could be wrong, see above, I do not know what is being worked on day-to-day at pokerfuse. We have genuine editorial separation).

Edit: I just wanted to add, the coverage so far is only (understandably) from GGPoker's side. Their blog post is the only information that has been made public. Everything else is rumor. In that respect, as it stands, it's a positive GGPoker story - "GG bans accounts of cheaters" - they aren't negative headlines. So I wouldn't cry foul and say that poker news media bias is impacting a lack of coverage.

So, as an example, if we take a look at CA's article. CA is, to the best of my knowledge, in no way affiliated with GG. So there is no reason to believe any bias one way or the other with their coverage.

If you look at their one article, I think one would conclude that it is very positive for GG.

- "the raft of measures outlined by the company are indicative of a full and thorough investigation. "
- "GGPN have taken this breach of RTA security very seriously indeed."
- "Again, it looks like GGPN have done the right thing."
- "GGPN have taken the right steps in the right way."
- "Players have been cheating and therefore they aren’t owed their winnings. Poker fans – and this includes recreational poker players – should be pleased with the level of security measures GGPN have employed. "

So you can clamor for more coverage from sites, but note that this is what coverage looks like right now.

https://calvinayre.com/2020/10/01/po...investigation/

As noted, I covered this on Twitter personally at the time, which reaches a lot more people than any article I could write (~60,000 impressions on the thread, last I looked, and that doesn't include things like this thread here). So I'm certainly not burying anything.

Wow, that Calvin Ayre article is a joke. It's a good read if you pretend it's satire tho.

There's a blog post here a bit down the page https://www.adriaan.com/gambling-and-technology/ where Hilly Ehlrich uses CA to basically slander some guy who he's trying to extort money from over some ICO. CA seems to be where Hilly spouts his narrative.

I just got 46.87$ compensation today as a 500nl reg lol.

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500 ABI mtt reg on GG here, i got 20€ and 200€ compensation due to opponents using RTA

https://imgur.com/a/1ULTJmF

I got about the same

GTO chart? I thought we were talking about RTAs not some player with a few excel charts.

Sounds like he would get kicked quick at GG

slayerv1fan is playing on party because of the rakeback. 6-man hypers are unbeatable on stars without having good rakeback.
And on top of that I am pretty sure that slayerv1fan has an even better rakeback deal on party than most people who play similar buy-ins and volume. He does even advertisement for having a better deal on party than you would normally have.

Of course this is true.

But, my point still stands.

slayer/jdawg definitely crushed (still crushes?) the 6-man hypers on stars without any rakeback. he did switch most volume to party because with rb the winnings are higher, but not because the stars games were unbeatable without rb

It's curious how many people think online poker is dead because of RTA/BOTS/etc. then when a site bans and tries to clean up it's player base - people yell and shout that the site is completely wrong/evil/etc..

I'd play at GG except my state doesn't allow it, or most any online site.

People need to hold opinions on both GG and the players until we hear more. GG has pretty stringent guidelines on what they believe is RTA- which HUDs seem to be grouped into. Whether you agree with it or not, it's laid out on TOA. A couple of the player names are known to 'study' and coached with a lot of the tools that would be labeled as RTA by GG. It really wouldn't surprise me if these same players used them while playing, which would go against the TOA.

There needs to be a focus within the poker community of holding the online integrity with that of live play. Sure use the tools to help study and improve your game, whatever. But when you are playing at a table, it should be your mind vs the other players minds.. with no other tools/assistance. Yet for some reason the poker community is seemingly against a site that is trying to be intolerable of such.

pretty sure not a single person has this simple view that you're trying to portray that they have.

They've confiscated money from an account but allowed them to continue playing on the network, in what scenario does this make sense.

We all don't know the details so let due process play out.

Who has had significant money taken (not frozen)? How long has it been? Has these players spoken up about their innocence? I don't see any of this yet.

edit- IF I was said to be one and I was completely innocent, I would def. be up in these threads creating a clamor. It's been days and haven't seen this or maybe I'm missing something.

Good sentiment to have, but don't be fooled by marketing/propaganda of fairness and security of games. For example I know a few spanish and portuguese players that play all the sites with vpn (which I dont' consider "cheating" btw) including on GG but they don't do it on pokerstars. That tells a bit about security.

I've also seen people complaining about bots on social media on wpn or pokerstars and that those sites are rigged. And then they play and promote poker apps with shady games. We have to be conscious not what people say and portray but instead the reality of what they do.

So I'm thinking of signing up at GGPoker. My question is, if I start winning, at what winrate threshold should I start open jamming ATC pre to ensure I don't get banned?

Just want to ask you.
Is poker dead?

I mean if there is RTI in black market and anyone can buy it even rec players...
Do you want to play poker at all when you know you are only idiot who just play for fun?

who knows? its a moving goalpost.

Don't worry. Sites etc will be working behind the scenes to bury any mention of players cheating in the future, so fun players won't even know they are being fleeced by cheating.

Here's an October 7th article published by Anuj Arora for pokerfuse. It provides a generalized breakdown of GGPoker reimbursements along with a section on Kruse accusations.

https://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-roo...ng-recent-rta/

The article also mentions that GGPoker players can now use the in-house Pokercraft tool to report suspicious activity.

I am a huge Parker Fan but even before his Ban GG's practices never sat right with me.

Daniel keeps telling everyone they can't say how they determine who is banned and what the line is for bum hunting. That said we have a site with a history banning people for no other reason than they were winning too much money so please excuse while we ask for more information behind the bans and what point is someone's play too "GTO" for their liking.

I am not comfortable playing on GG as they same extremely hostile to any winning player.

Also you can bumhunt, but only at 100k+ bc it's free advertising for them

Also maybe not super relevant bc it's probably just part of their deal, but id be interested to see gg streamers pvi vs regular grinders :thinkingface;- if it is the case, i understand they deserve compensation for their work, but i dunno just seems like a scam to promote a game when you pay like 8bb rake while everyone else pays 16-17 (the rake at 200gg)

Yeah this is becoming a significant issue with twitch. You got all these team pros on nice rakeback deals, hiding results and selling action at inflated mark-ups.

And many of these same reps are affiliates. So they're selling a dream that isn't real.

I was playing against Kruse for months almost every day at nl1000 and nl5000, lost at least 10k$ and received 0$ refund..gg GG