How about by posting last 20 big pots played before ban and show how they aren’t solved hands? I mean that would be a simple start?

Is it so hard to show anything?

So in short to good get banned. How do they know the person that plays say 60% GTO hasn"t spent 100s or even thousands of hours in the lab and just have a good memory

That wouldn't really prove much. Firstly, playing X number of big pots differently than GTO wouldn't even prove someone's innocence. It's entirely possible for someone to cheat and still play some hands sub-optimally. Similarly, playing X number of big pots close to GTO wouldn't prove someone's guilt. Of course if say a non-highstakes player is playing basically every hand in some way close to a solver then yeah that would be very suspicious and very likely cheating. (can even apply to highstakes players too but of course highstakes players are expected to make less mistakes than non-highstakes players)

Secondly, not only is GG not providing any evidence to back their accusations but they're not even specifying what their accusations are. Real-time assistance can be a variety of things. It could be something as basic as a preflop open-raising chart. Any half-decent player should know what an "optimal" open-raising is for each position. Does open-raising the optimal range prove someone's using preflop charts in real time? The answer should obviously be "no" but even discussing this is very silly.

This issue isn't even a GG-only thing, it seems quite common for sites to not even specify the reason for banning a player and of course it's even rarer for a site to provide evidence for their accusations...

Going back to your actual comment, if it was indeed so simple to figure out who's using RTA then why haven't GG been banning these players already? Why are they now suddenly doing so, shortly after Kruse's case has come to light? Also, how come they've banned all these players literally at once? Like, one day all these players are allowed to play and the next day they've all been found guilty of some TOS violation?

So where’s all the innocent players that has funds confiscated for no reason?

Waiting for GG to reply to them..

Pretty crazy if anti cheating measures are more advanced in chess than poker, given that poker is played for money. Sites need to step it up IMO.

you're wrong sir, i've talked to one and he has told me he was using a GTO chart and has been banned including his winnings which are frozen. But good u know everything...

If you read the whole thread u know how they figured out that people used charts while playing, mouse movements etc. so saying every good player can memorize a chart is BS

If you’ve ever looked at a single solver output you would know you’re frequencies are off from gto if you’re playing honestly.
Idk this dude maybe he is cheating but that statement isn’t any indication he is at all.

Your whole post just sounds like it was written by someone whose never played online poker and should prob stay out of discussions on RTA/poker theory.

There's no chance they proved RTA use in cash games. Likely basing it off shove/fold ranges for tournaments at best here.

most of your posts are so ignorant, but you try so hard to defend GG in this situation.

obv if XY player has his funds confiscated he'll try to talk with GG first, and afaik they are slow answering even to those players who can cashout their funds.
It's been only few days, I was in similar spot last year with another site and waited more than a month to post on 2+2, and luckily got my money after 5 months.
If the site doesn't want to steal the money they will give opportunity accused players to prove their innocence.

Is it better to have a site ( GG ) that is trying to keep cheaters out than a site ( ACR ) that is known to be over run with bots ?

There is currently something similar going on in the Bridge world. Rumoured to involve at least 30 world class players using technology to cheat in online tournaments.

Why is this not bigger news?

We have names like Tonka, Dom, and Oliver being outed - this is a big deal. Complete silence from these guys.

Has anyone gotten a refund from GG from confiscated money? I played with all three throughout WSOP - stacked by Tonka twice in big final tables.

Very frustrating seeing this news.

I think it's interesting to consider the withdrawals, how those players were connected, the timing of it relative to the recent RTA revelations that came out surrounding Kruse.

GG has a lot of interesting data points to look at.

is it though. Do you prefer a site where yes bots are gonna nibble away at some of your profit or one full of donks but you have to live in constant fear of your money been stolen by the site or if you're lucky just being kicked to the curb with your money

It's absolutely f***Ing huge. But the people here aren't smart enough to discuss accordingly

I aint gonna put my money on this shady site smh.

Pretty much tells you how few poker media outlets there are, and more importantly, how poker sites in general are always very gunshy about upsetting the apple cart.

Based on a Google News search, I see it on PokerNews, CalvinAyre and CardsChat, but that's it. Nothing on CardPlayer or PokerFuse, nor on other sites that also have news feeds (e.g. GamblingNews, HighStakesDB)

I remember this being a point of discussion back in the days of the Potripper scandal on Absolute. The "mainstream poker media" (a funny term) like Bluff, CardPlayer, even ESPN's poker section were very slow to report anything about it. Instead, it was the likes of Rounders the Poker Show and PokerRoad, as they weren't beholden to affiliate and sponsorship dollars. (Hell, the wealth of discussion regarding the subsequent UB scandal was exactly why I joined these forums.)

The DAT Poker Podcast was mentioned above... have any of the other poker podcasts taken any kind of dive into GG's announcement?

Ye I'm not sure why PokerFuse haven't covered it yet, considering Hood is the guy who's tweet is in the OP. I'm sure they have their reasons.

Ha! I didn't even make the connection.

And in fairness, some outlets operate more like magazines than newspapers when it comes to covering news. So he could still be working on something.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but none are actually mentioning the names of theses three. Why can't they just publicly announce the names and what they were doing. At this point we're left to assume the worst culprits had very sophiscated RTA's, some with less sophistcated ones, or maybe they didn't use them as much.. who knows. I call it very unlikely they are banning players because they are shoving properly preflop - this is something bigger.

Nothing on poker twitter either. People are scared to call these people out..

Again, does anyone know of someone who actually received a refund? If so what did the email say? And for what mtt? Should be easy to tell who it is based off what mtt you are refunded for and how much.

The only reason anyone is saying they were banned because of RTA is because GG said so. Now if you rely on someone's integrity, as to whether you believe what they say, then in this case you should absolutely take what GG have said with a pinch of salt.

yeah i wonder why

Where has Joey been during all of this? One of the biggest poker scandals in ages and he hasn't said a word.

read a bit through the thread before you post, ive already said that ive talked to someone who was caught with using a GTO chart and has won 6 figures, now if people still think its BS they cant be helped. They've always took a stand of making the site more 'fish-friendly' and it looks thats where they heading. If u think u get banned for being "too good", you should tap yourself on the shoulder and continue doing what you're doing.