Cheaters shouldn't get to keep their winnings. The same as how criminals should go to jail. There needs to be some type of due process though. Labeling someone a cheater and taking away large sums of money without any transparency or recourse is indefensible.

They can ban whoever they want, they shouldn’t take players funds unless they have proof of cheating.

What sites offer transparency in 2020?

Guys, dont feed the bum. Do you see how far its gotten us?

That must be an absolute **** show with position angling regs and unlucky_seat recs hopping around
Almost all the rooms I’ve played in are Australia or NZ. A few in Asia. No table jumping unless u ask the floor and they won’t say yes unless you have a good reason. You can normally get away with moving seats on your existing table

Up to this point , has anyone receive their money back from GG for the RTA cases ?

For trespassing, not cheating.

All this drama, yet 100k NL runs, sometimes with 7 figure stacks. Too rich to care?

Whenever fish will sit at the table,games will run.Fish don't care about rta and i think they haven't heard about it.So yeah people telling online poker is dead,it's not.Maybe reg battles will die but not the game.

tbf i think some of the ppl banned are right to just stay silent. I dont think it's necessary to speculate they are guilty bc of it.

GG has proven they care much more about their optics than legitimate and honest policing of the games, so best bet to get their money back, assuming they did not break tos, is to just shut up and deal with gg privately and try to get whatever they can without pissing them off.

there have already been 1-2 threads where someones claims gg wrongfully confiscated their balance, the thread gains a little bit of traction then suddenly op goes silent and we see him playing on gg again, likely claiming a % of what was owed to him and allowed back on the network.

so i dont expect every player to be a beacon of righteousness and blast gg for what is likely just borderline scammaz , they just want to get their money and hopefully be allowed back into the gg pool bc we are all simps for ev.


Or i guess another alternative is that they all were just using random preflop charts, which i think is normal (im not saying fair/right, just that i even see pros openly use them on twitch) for mtt players given the amount of preflop spots compared to 100bb cash. so they technically were breaking tos and there's nothing to complain about i dunno

not saying i'd be above it if they offered a lot but imo it looks really bad to be a gg pro atm

Dnegs seems awfully quiet on this.

When fish hear that a certain site allows RTA cheaters, you think they will still play? I think not. The smartest whales have already moved all of their action to private games and have adjusted against regular non-cheating good players. The average joe doesn't want to feel cheated, just like the rest of us.

Yeah not like he has his own podcast where he did a whole segment on it.

I am willing to bet that at least some of those people affected were not high stake pros but low / midstake reg who did not understand intrusive nature of poker software and had charts opened / saved on the same computer they are playing.

No one is seriously thinking that people are banned for solid preflop play, are they??

A lot of pros know preflop charts to memory and it's like second nature.

Nobody has been banned because they follow a preflop chart, I assure you....

You listen to that sh*t show?

I know this might be hard to grasp so try to read the post and follow carefully. You asked why Dnegs had not commented. I pointed towards a podcast in which he spoke at length about this.

I have no idea why you are now asking if I personally listen to said podcast.

I'm listening to it now. The timestamps say there's a 20-minute segment on the topic starting at about the 40-minute mark. RTA actually comes up a bit before that starting at 38:30 (the segment about HU match vs. Doug).

https://datpodcast.libsyn.com/real-t...ast-episode-84

You posted above that Daniel "seems awfully quiet" on this thread's topic?

oh if you say so...

they don't even need a reason anyway.

Is that screenshot supposed to be some form of evidence to the contrary? At no point in that exchange is the concept of being banned for a preflop chart even hinted at, let alone explicitly stated. Good work Lt. Columbo.

Lol he doesn’t even sound innocent, frequencies are off solver, ok how he know that? He checked the solver and it told him he was off a bit?

You would think someone innocent would say I never play with a solver, use any charts, I don’t know why they banned me.

the 2 are unrelated, seemed pretty obvious but guess not.

Detecting RTA would be so complex it's crazy, and then add that if there's a mark or 2 at the table, which there nearly always is, people will deviate from RTA solutions, making it even harder. Do people really think GG are capable of that?

They are banning winners based on winning, and that is it. They need to keep ecology healthy, and get some anti rta pr since this Fedor Kruse incident, whilst the iron is still hot. These guys would likely not of been banned if the Fedor thing wasn't all over the place atm.

0% evidence 100% speculation....

Finally a site banning cheaters, no evidence of even 1 player being banned for no reason.

If there is a case why don’t they give there hands to a third party or post them publicly to show their innocence?

Instead just go silent or say some bs

Similarly, no evidence of even 1 player being banned for a legit reason. But you repeatedly take the operator's side by simply taking their word, although they've even allowed banned players to return to their network.

If you're paid by them to defend them or in some way have personal interest to do so, then fine, I get your stance. If not, then I'd suggest figuring out what the hell is wrong with you because I assure you, something in your head is very very wrong.

Edit: I'm curious how your brilliant mind thinks an innocent player can prove his innocence. Please do explain this to us ******s.

Edit 2: When a side bans a player for reason X, they should obviously be able to prove what their accusing them of. But they choose not to. But you insist on taking their word no matter what. Are we supposed to genuinely believe you have no personal interest in doing so?

Here's a cross-post from another active NVG thread. It contains a YT video link with discussion about yesterday's disqualification of Pro Chess League 2020 champions, the Armenia Eagles, due to "fair play violations."

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=11915

At 3:00 of the video linked in that post, the commentator states that it has become necessary to place multiple webcams around players who are competing. The host then informs viewers that he will be using multiple webcams himself in an upcoming chess competition.

At about the 8:30 mark, a live event in Dubai from 5 years ago is referenced... a player allegedly was caught taking excessive restroom breaks during competition to consult an iPod Touch that was "wrapped in toilet paper."

What is the "data privacy" middle ground for what sites (or even live venues) and players can agree on? Should policies be selectively enforced? Is a "middle ground" capable of performing consistently and effectively for real money events? As technological advancements along with player/operator sophistication increase?