Yeah, I'm sure the 13 people who had money confiscated would agree with that.

HS winners having their funds taken by GG:

I would believe this 100% if it was Stars or Party but it's hard to trust GG with their history.

RTA is the single biggest threat to future of online poker and GG is doing something serious about it.

Apparently some cases were more obvious (maybe not only consistent GTO play but also mouse movements proof etc.) so their money was confiscated.

This doesn't seem to be a banning winning players move. 13 accounts doesn't move the needle. On the other hand, I hope nobody will get banned without deserving it.

So GGPoker can't detect solvers or other software running RTA, but they can detect if you look at Microsoft Excel or a piece of paper on your desk next to the computer?







How come the half dozen or so people coming in here and saying the banned people must have been cheating and GGPoker could tell all have less than 100 posts?



From everything I've ever seen, GGPoker isn't at all trustworthy. Back in the day if PokerStars banned someone for cheating, I would have been like 95% that person cheated until shown convincing reasons otherwise. I don't have the personal experience with GGPoker that I did with PokerStars back in the day, but from what little I've seen from reading around, I'd say that if GGPoker says someone cheated, maybe it's 50/50 at best.

Doesn't seem safe to have money on GGPoker, unless you plan on losing it anyway.

" Our Team deeply analyzes Poker hands based on our proprietary algorithms with the assistance of some of the brightest Poker minds. Their insights and contributions continually improve our algorithms. Through this process, we can quickly establish whether GTO Poker play has occurred."

This is so ridiculous, it sounds like some fish who doesn't know what GTO is has wrote it. How have they determined what GTO play is? How have they built this thing/found 80 cheaters and banned them within 2 weeks? They make it sound like a human couldn't possibly play any hand in a GTO way. Who are these brightest poker minds? Why are they working for GG security and not playing 1k/2k?

50% is a ridiculous assumption.

To clarify, by cheating, you mean breaking the TOS?

Guess away. Throw shade. Congrats. I'll do the same.

So GTO real time assisted game play implementation is def a thing, but the ability to see and analyze it in hh review is impossible.

i like that a random new account throws around the RTA buzzword like it's something new and other poker rooms don't do anything ...

the real time assistance is basically looking up a massive database and getting an 'optimal' play. it's not calculated in real time.
automatically analysing every HH on the site, with several players and betting rounds is maybe not impossible, but not a simple task.

I would say the ability to analyze it in a HH review is def not possible, esp by the people that would work for a poker security department, if they could they could probably 5x their income by actually playing poker.

Winning reg near GTO = RTA
Winning reg far from GTO = Predatory behaviour

Just be a bad reg
GG

Yes, I work for GG as NVG ambassador. I get a 0.0000004695% additional rakeback for my efforts.

Shady site being known for doing shady things on the basis of their shady ToS and Security Team is caught doing more shady things???? :O

Great news again from GGnetwork! Even more reason NOT to play at GG. Only losers are welcome... They are destroying online poker.

they want to subtly change the narrative of poker being a strategic game of skill to poker being a fun and social gambling experience where anyone can be a winner. the reasons are, of course, marketing-financal ones.

Perhaps if those people had some RTA they could though. Just a thought

you could also 500x your income by dealing heroin? i dont understand the argument. there's still people with a moral compass in the world

Never played on GG,due to country restrictions,but i am glad they ban cheaters.Have you ever wondered why a poker site never bans a player that doesnt use a hud?It was enough with PT4 and HM2,but they didnt won enough money.As long as the majority of players wont understand that all of these problems can be removed basicaly instantly by just dont allow HUD and other helping programs,we will still talk about bot rings,cheater,RTA users.For example i see a lot of winning players on stars,but massive losers on party.It's just a coincidence that HUD's are not allowed on party

Plenty of discussion on the use of RTAs on this week's episode of 'The Lock-In':

People here still dont realize that u can detect rta by mouse movement pattern, everytime ur mouse stops ur prolly looking at a chart or something, now if tht occurs everytime in tough spots u got urself a cheater

I pretty regularly take my hand off my mouse in tough spots so I can literally stop and think

i guarantee u, that u will have a diffrent mouse pattern if u used rta compared to now. buts just one indirect evidence u can have a couple of indirect evidence and ban someone because it will be very high chance hes cheating

I wasn't precise with my terminology.

If we're counting all of the bumhunting, predatory behavior, bad for the ecology, etc. sections of GGPoker's TOS as sections that if broken constitute cheating, along with the other more usual prohibited software sections, then GGPoker's TOS are so vague and broad when it comes to this area that one could probably choose to find that a fairly large number of players on GGPoker are cheating everyday.

So, no, in that comment I meant cheating in the more traditional definition and what would be considered cheating at most online sites and at most casinos.

If we do just count any violation of the GGPoker TOS as cheating it probably is higher than 50/50, but I'm not sure it is still all that close to 100%.

And you don't have to do much to technically violate these sections of GGPoker's TOS, so that seems to me to be a problem too and a reason to consider whether or not to play on GGPoker since they could apply it whenever they want and it seems that they do sometimes and when they do they often keep whatever money was on deposit, including large amounts.

Poker community needs to take a step back and figure out what should and should not be allowed in online poker. Obviously any RTA should be banned. But what about everything else ? It all started with Training/Coaching sites using HUDs and other tools for extra information to study.. then this branched off into RTA stuff and using HUDs during actual games, which strangely became accepted.

Shouldn't an online game that mimics it's live counterpart be held to same standards? Last I went to a live game, people weren't using charts and side computers to look at HUD type information updating in real time to help them make decisions at the table.

GG are taking an aggressive stance towards any advantageous methods that give extra information in real time, beyond the poker software, that assists players with decision making at the table. Do you play on a site that takes aggressive action on possible HUD/RTA users or play on a more Lax site with Bots, RTA, HUD users, etc?

Mouse movement randomization has been a feature on cheap bots for years on many different games, really easy feature to code.