Pretty sure this is obvious to most of us

In this utopian hypothetical all the sites would be using the same(best available) detection tech and would have no reason not to trust it.

Good PR is one thing but much more than that they have also now found a way to target tournament players in a similar way to cash. They can just remove anyone they like from tournaments under the guise of RTA. So now winning tournaments players on GG are just as much at risk as cash players.

I don't know how to feel about it all. On the one side, you want sites to do something but then they do something and they still get called out. I guess transparency is key but how can you do that when you are showing all cheaters how to avoid getting caught. I guess having a good name as a site in the first place so the community shows you good faith in your decisions. Little late for all that with GG.

I am quite neutral on the whole thing as anyone who plays on GG knows they are doing so with the knowledge that it is all very shady.

It appears they're just banning winning players as often as they feel necessary to keep the ecology healthy, whilst coming up with any reason they think will fit the narrative, regardless of what's professionally or morally correct.

With rapid advancements in AI/learning... if these companies could devise an AI that basically compares players actions to RTA output and if, say 90%, of all decisions/plays resemble the same RTA decision then should be pretty safe to say they are using RTA.. I'm not sure if 90% more or less is reasonable but there is probably something like this either exists or rapidly being developed by these sites. They certainly have the resources to do it if they cared to. It wouldn't surprise me if GG is/had already been doing this, same with the other major sites.

-Edit, also would make sense if most companies wouldn't announce such developments as they want to test it in the live environment before people are aware of such.

Well bumhunting and rta or illegal software is clear as day in the TOS but apparently everyone who plays there thinks they are playing on some random site that doesn’t care about what players do like ACR or 888 etc

Regarding the potential cheating ~

People complain sites dont do anything to stop cheaters & then when they do ,they complain about how they do it.

Its ridiculous.

If GG needs to temporarily freeze accounts to do their 'checks' how can that be a bad thing.

Regarding publicity stunt, it could well be... but even if it was - it may deter people from usng RTA in the future. That cant be a bad thing either.

Lmfao I didn't know a poker networks twitter account could tweet something so dumb


Glad they got rid of jeff gross the epitomy of RTA , in between his 50 daily $5 giveaways on stream must be running those sims live while playing ya?

How could anyone mistake Fedur Kruse for being a sponsored GG network player?!?!













These bans seem very fishy if the rumours are true that Dominik Nitsche and Parker talbot (tonka) among other highstakes mtt players were banned - It seems like they took this chance for a PR leap of banning big winners on site and blaming RTA for their sucess. They have seemingly no incentive to cheat / have outside businesses in the poker industry I hope they come forward and speak. Both play live highrollers too and seem to have live success.


How did they distinguish who got their money taken and who didn't ??? How come some people were banned for 'RTA' but allowed to keep their money? Is it because GG is full of **** and just banning people under the guise of 'you are probably using rta?'

I'm all for sites doing everything they can to counter cheaters. Given GG's shady track record, however, I highly doubt they suddenly came up with an advanced RTA detection algorithm.

First off, it's pretty difficult to just flat out determine whether a 'GTO play' has occurred. NLHE is far from solved; what constitutes 'GTO' is all relative to the parameters you pass to the solver. Even if the site has solutions to every known spot for 10 different bet sizings, it depends what level of granularity they use when assessing a user's play. Does cbetting range on a dry board disqualify someone from being investigated for RTA because they could get .1% more EV mixing between 200% overbet and check back? Or, considering the more likely end the spectrum, can GG just ban anyone who doesn't make absolutely massive mistakes because they're playing too close to GTO? Secondly, assuming someone does get flagged as a 'GTO player', how on earth do they go about proving they were using RTA? If the guy has 2 PCs and isn't stupid, there's absolutely no way of detecting it.

Overall, this sounds more like another flimsy excuse for GG to ban whomever they please under the guise of their predatory ToS.

Wtf I thought the kruse story would slowly fade into the no interest zone, this story keeps becoming weirder and weirder

Can someone post evidence of the mentioned players beeing banned?

Sounded like a lol list. Tonka, Nietzsche etc. This sounds like a random baning of winning players or the biggest scandal ever if that would be true. Like if their evidence would be proof all these pros used rta, which I highly doubt.

Preflop charts is RTA aswell, and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of MTT pros used it. The fact that Jeff Gross doesn't play like a solver postflop isn't an alibi

I think they're banning anyone that gets caught using preflop charts. Even a push fold chart will get you banned.

no association at all guys, just a coincidence kruse's name is the exact same color as our other ambassadors. 🤡

This kind of crap is going to keep happening while Hilly Ehrlich is the owner. That said, I'm not entirely sure if it's good or bad for poker.

they literally name kruse as ggpoker ambassador.

Who said Jeff Gross, Parker Talbot and Dominik nietsche were banned? Seems very unlikely to me.

Dom, when asked, answered "seems like a rumour to me"

I think Gross was caught using RYE ranges live on stream some time back (on stars). Although i'd agree that it's extremely unlikely that he's using any kind of solver in real time, it should be one strike and out of the game for life.

Someone so willing to openly do that would more likely than not be willing to push the boundaries further.

It does appear that GG is taking a very harsh stance, and a lot of these players are probably using AI in a very soft way, but I cant say that I disagree with them clamping down on every minor infraction. The game will be on its last legs very soon unless something is done, and harsh bans will certainly serve as a serious warning to a lot of players.

Clearly the status quo of tolerating borderline unethical behaviour on other sites has not been working.

Good on them.

Agreed, this is going to scare a lot of people. which is amazing. If you play it by the books, got nothing to worry about, in fact you'll feel great in knowing that people wont be as likely to cheat (breaking the TOS is cheating, no matter if you like it or not) because GG is gonna F em up.

I wouldn't be to confident that you won't get banned even if you are playing it by the ooks.

So half your posts are "OMG poker is full of RTA someone do something"! "Something" is done and users are punished using detection systems that you have zero clue about and its "OMG this is an outrage"!

I'm 100% confident I will never be banned. I will guarantee those banned couldn't say the same, especially now