So from your own post, the worst offenders including obvious liars like dudd whose story was full of holes, dont even get banned and presumably don’t get their funds confiscated. So what’s the problem exactly

That some players do and some players don't. Only reason dudd is not banned is because it was a high profile case and they received alot of public backlash from the poker community. Since then many have been banned.

Doesn't your lively hood revolve around a card game?

Dunno why your shitting on Galfond. His site is relatively new.

If you think for one second that your competitor sites would not start to recapture market share if they did what you guys did with the agents to get the recs that aren't supposed to be able to play on the sites your delusional.

Especially if stars started to do it.

with how high the rake is you are either "bum hunting" or just donating rake.

tons of ppl who play reg games all day are literally -ev and just run good.


obv im not including playing SH while waiting for table to fill

This is one of the worst threads in 2p2 history

I would (and do) agree with this post, but the analogy fails because it is not what's happening here.

Pretend this is a casino. Such rich player walks up to the table after a nice BJ run carrying 10M in chips and puts $1K on the poker table. He plays for an hour then leaves at the same time a fish leaves. The casino then determines he has "bumhunted" and...

[wait for it]

...approaches that player. The casino allows that player to keep his winnings, both the seven figures won from blackjack plus whatever he scored at the poker table. However, the player is also warned that if he does this repeatedly, he will be banned from the casino and whatever he's holding at the time will be confiscated.

THAT'S the equivalent of what would happen the first time.

Of course, that player is probably confused as hell. He insists to the casino that he has engaged in no unfair play, and wants to know what exactly what he did to even earn a warning. The casino says something vague about how the player targeted a weak poker player, and they will not stand for that. Do it again, the casino says, and you're banned and your pockets will be emptied.

Lousy rule? Sure. It's vague, it may or may not solve what the rule intends to, plus it leaves the door open to false positives.

Bad rule or not, the player has been warned. The smart decision would be to take his business elsewhere. Sure, his money is still safe at the moment, but clearly this is a casino that can act in an extremely arbitrary way at any given moment. If he takes his chances and goes back – especially given he doesn't know what he did wrong the first time around – then I'll have less sympathy for the player if his money gets confiscated. (Not that I'll side with the casino, mind you, as their policy still sucks. But it becomes the "fool me twice..." situation on the part of that player.)

Exactly, its in that players best interest not to ever play there again.

It seems many of these pokersites have had some problems with players not getting paid, or unable to cash out properly and the player continues to do business with them.

If I have a problem getting paid once, I will not do business with that company again, but I've heard too many stories about a player having problems getting their money, yet they stay on that site.

I don't get that at all.

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If there was a live poker tournament and the organisers said that if you wear inappropriate or offensive attire that they could confiscate anything you win and any balance you have with them, and said that it is entirely up to them what they deem to be inappropriate and their decision is final.
You then know that they have people who visit the bars and intervene in discussions who call you a karen ***** for asking about the attire and wanting to make sure your safe.

Would you play this tournament?
I mean one could assume offensive/inappropriate attire means Nazi clothes. and we could all be confident that is very probably not allowed.
but some could argue football shirts is inappropriate some places ban these, maybe clothes with swear words political or religious stances stay away from all of that and your safe right?
Nope you cannot be sure maybe they deem hoodies or trackies inappropriate maybe they want a classy establishment. Maybe a suit and tie is inappropriate, maybe jeans are out maybe only suit and tie is appropriate.

we can all make our own assumptions about what is reasonable, I mean I am pretty sure most of us would think racist attire would be unacceptable and completely wrong. but their rules dont explicitly state that it could literally be anything. when you ask for clarification you get ignored when you mention in the community you get called a whiny ***** Karen.

anyone that would play in that tournament or attend that Casino is an idiot.

there are many ways to get rid of bumhunting and make it literally impossible. UNIBET classic example they do this whole process completely right, they allow daily name changes, when you sit at cash tables you cant select the cash table it allocates you randomly. same for sit and goes not sure about mtts but bumhunting mtts seems silly. Also with the daily name changes if someone can get bumhunted its kind of their own fault I change my name on their daily to avoid anyone having reads on me if i cant have reads on them.

there are legitimate ways to stop people going after weak players, GG have seized rolls for using pokertracker on a different site not theirs. for alleged bunhunting, etc.

How can anyone feel comfortable on this site.

Was hoping you would stop posting after this tirade but i still have to skip through your incoherent rants. Not that i have ever defended GG but not responding to your lunatic emails when you aren't even a customer is the one thing i can agree with them about.

No, I wouldn't, but that's also not what's happening. The more apt analogy would be the tournament staff pointing out their weird dress code, allowing you to play this time and keep any winnings you get, but warning you that you will not be admitted to the tourney the next time you show up dressed inappropriately. You'll keep your money, just don't do it again or they'll take it.

GG's policy expressly mentions repeat offenders. Of course, there is a separate debate as to whether or not the offense warrants the punishment, or whether or not the terms are well defined enough. I say no and no to both of those, which is why I'll repeat what others are saying: if you get warned for something you don't feel was wrong, just cash out and take your business elsewhere.

Almost no one is defending GG in this thread, they're just defending the site's right to have a dumbass policy, and the players' right to vote with their dollars by playing elsewhere.

GGpoker is a joke of a site until they fix this. Would be a great signal to the poker community if they started by fixing this and more reasonable rake at high stakes.

LOL at the dumbass fish in this thread believing this BS about 'bumhunting' or 'ecology'. This is about banning any crusher or sunrunner so GG can pocket 100% of your dumbass deposit . Just read that interview GG guy did on pokerstategy where he said anyone with a certain winrate must be a 'bumhunter'. They just dont want any bad PR from banning winners, so they use this BS to convince fish they are protecting them. Really genious by GG though you gotta give it to them.

I always thought it was called bumhunting. You learn something new everyday I guess!

2nd that......

Ultimately the site wants to encourage players to rebuy when they lose. If a player feels like they are being targeted by bumhunters, they will stop depositing funds and take their action elsewhere.

Despite the high volume grinders who thinks they make the site money based on the rake paid, the only way a site truly makes money is by having more funds deposited that funds withdrawn. It is in the site's interest to protect the interests of players who keep depositing funds vs those who deposit once and make multiple withdraws.

Except it's still not perfect. The correct analogy is that the player is then notified via email, which he may or may not read. Then he leaves his 10M in the box. Then if he doesn't happen to read his email, he comes back tomorrow to play some more and hopefully isn't deemed to have bumhunted.

The point is, it's completely asinine. Either ban them and hand them money that was not won via cheating or let them play. Don't just steal all of their money if they don't read their email or aren't aware of rules that allow for theft. Who the heck cares if you're "notified" of pending theft first? How'd you feel if Walmart said, "Hey, next time you show up to walmart and talk loudly, we will just steal your wallet and car. What you don't like that rule? Maybe don't come back." I'd probably respond, "hey, theft isn't legal you dumb idiots."

The illegal contracts are not valid.

I've said the poker world are like Turkeys voting for Christmas. I'll never understand it. They continue to play on shady sites simply because they prefer the software. When there are extremely reputable sites, but with worse software, that they continue to ignore. And by doing so, you allowing GG to becomes more powerful and take more market share

Anybody know who's invested in GG? I withdraw any winning asap from the site. Its clearly losing money given its aggressive marketing strategy and overlays. This is fine for a fast growing company. However would like to know who is backing it and the plans for the future. Seems bizarre to trust a site blindly without knowing its investors/ownership/intentions. It almost seems more shady that they just buy off all these high profile names and we still don't know anything about the company. Also who knows if they could have confiscated funds to deal with short term cash flow problems. Doubt it would be the first company to mess about to cover its own ass.
At least we can trust Party and stars to a certain extent. Albeit we know stars are sh** but at least we know that they're business model is to screw the player for every last cent they can get away with. Hence why players have been quick to jump on the GG bandwagon.

I know they claim there is a segregated account for balance but this is an unknown gambling company so who really knows. My advice is to play on the site as games are very soft but keep you balance at the lowest amount possible. I have no hesitation having large balances on stars and party.

Ive observed the games lately and seems like some of the PLO streamers are the worst bumhunters on the VIP games. Do they have amnesty since they stream

Bro it's clearly making money, they charge insane rake and have tons of traffic. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't play there but saying they are losing money is laughable. They can afford to overlay and pay for aggressive marketing.

Pokerstars has been shut down by the US government in the past, anything could happen. Keeping a large balance on any poker site is stupid.

Couldn't agree more. Moving money is so fast these days it makes no sense to keep more than min you need on any site. Esp with stars because if they decide that you have some issues with your account it takes months to solve. And all you can do after that is moan at internet pokers.

Yes, because they are promoting the site for free! Obviously this is just opinion, but if it barks like a dog....!

I get your point that they can have private rules.
Anyone what licences about confiscation whole role for winning to much....

QFT

Wonder what their pros thinks about this policy.