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03-22-2021 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Winni
Well I emailed the following to GG.


It has been three days now I guess I sent it on Friday so have to allow that they may not have got to it yet but it has been three days now. I am expecting no reply at all and I think I want to break down to you guys.

If they do not reply and clarify then terms are vague and they retain the right to ban my account once created and seize funds at any moment.

Guys they wont say that MTT players are safe from this, let me clear it is impossible to bum hunt in MTTS but the fact is that their is not an agreed upon universal line on what bum hunting is.

some might say it is persistently stalking the one same player over and over whenever they come on cash tables or only waiting for complete fish.

I have played quite a few heads up hypers there are different attitudes I have seen from different profitable players.
1. never sit first only register when they see a complete and utter total fish most would class this as bum hunting
2. sit first and rematch weak players whilst quitting of competent players
3 same as before but rematch anyone except the best regs
4. same as before but rematch absolutely everyone and go after everyone no exceptions this is their lobby and they will fight to the death against anyone who tries to share it or be there they will never back down to anyone.

Now pretty sure whether we think it should be allowed or not we would all agree that 1 is bumhunting. Most us would say that 2 or 3 is okay and should be allowed where I would assume there would be some debate and split between which it should be 2 or 3.
a few of us might insist it should be 4 and only 4.

However here is the thing 4 is BUMHUNTING!!!!!!!!!! under some definition.
maybe they should be playing higher stakes maybe they are game selecting which is bumhunting according to some by not moving up stakes as weaker players at low stakes. I can absolutely crush Ł5 $5 or 5 euro heads up hyper games on any site I have ever tried.

after that some sites I can beat Ł10/$10/euro games some sites the top regs are sitting on the 10s all the way through to 100s and i would get owned at 10s some sites I can beat anything up to the 20s but get owned at the 20s. Is this bumhunting by sticking only to 5s and 10s? you may say not but others will say yes.

mtts if I play low sake MTTs to avoid tougher fields at mid stakes or high stake mtts that is arguably bumhunting the fact that GG will not reply to my email and address it shows they want to be deliberately vague so they retain the right to ban an confiscate funds at their own discretion.

According to GG BANKROLL MANAGEMENT CAN BE DEFINED AS BUM HUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone who feels safe on that site is clearly deluded if they respond to my email in the end i will point that out and post it here but their lack of response confirms that.

You may think bumhunting as you define it is bad and should be banned/punished the issue is others define it differently and GG have deliberately gone about been vague so they can define anyone as a bunhunter and seize/confiscate funds from anyone!!!!
You wont get a reply, writing a smart arse letter like that.
They will continue to do exactly what they want as long as they have enough players.
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03-22-2021 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rayfox111
You wont get a reply, writing a smart arse letter like that.

They will continue to do exactly what they want as long as they have enough players.
I thought the same, then I wondered if Karens in poker was a thing, cause this sounds like a Karen letter.

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03-22-2021 , 12:19 PM
yes winni seems to be the karen of poker,

hunting down a fish at your stakes and table camping very obviously isnt on the same level of bumhunting as bankroll management
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03-22-2021 , 10:31 PM
you guys either work for GG or are weapons grade morons. I am not sure which it is but whatever.

of course there are different levels of bumhunting my post said just that. There is not a universal definition of what bum hunting is a google search gets the definition of specifically heads up cash.

At no point have I said bankroll management is the same level of bum hunting as stalking a specific player/players.

my point was that if it is vague then we cant know the rules and thus could have our bankroll seized at any moment. at the sole discretion of the site. Would you open a bank account if they had vague rules which said that if you spent money on what they considered unethical purchases they could seize your entire balance?

How am I a karen for wanting to know have reassurances that I would not risk having thousands/ tens of thousands of pounds seized from me.

You guys are the scummiest site on the internet.
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03-23-2021 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Winni
you guys either work for GG or are weapons grade morons. I am not sure which it is but whatever.

of course there are different levels of bumhunting my post said just that. There is not a universal definition of what bum hunting is a google search gets the definition of specifically heads up cash.

At no point have I said bankroll management is the same level of bum hunting as stalking a specific player/players.

my point was that if it is vague then we cant know the rules and thus could have our bankroll seized at any moment. at the sole discretion of the site. Would you open a bank account if they had vague rules which said that if you spent money on what they considered unethical purchases they could seize your entire balance?

How am I a karen for wanting to know have reassurances that I would not risk having thousands/ tens of thousands of pounds seized from me.

You guys are the scummiest site on the internet.
And he wonders why he doesn't get replies to his email and is a Karen...
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03-23-2021 , 03:53 AM
Bottom line for me is that I doubt anyone has had their money fully confiscated (just deposit returned and winnings repatriated) but it seems like the “no bumhunting” rule isn’t well defined enough and has the potential for future abuse.
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03-23-2021 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
The idiots are the people who think these sites exists so pros can make a living. They don't. While i don't agree with seizing money for bum hunting (which i don't think has actually happened) if they want to ban someone for doing so that's fine. Sure I'd love a site with low rake that spends a ton of money on marketing to bring me droolers to play with but that's not realisitic. GG is clearly aimed at recs and it's a profitable business model for them.

This . LOL at the “poker dream” wannabes ITT trying to tell GG how to structure its business model

GGs sudden success shows how flawed Phil Galfonds strategy was to break into the market by trying to cater to pros. Wonder how much longer he keeps pouring his money into that pit
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03-23-2021 , 06:25 AM
to all you anti pro people you do realize that no matter how many Good players GG runs off the players just below them will become the new top players. I guess if you run off enough good players you can wind up with a situation where nobody can beat the rake and they just pass money back and forth while GG makes a killing.

Despite what some seem to think poker absolutely exist for people to make money GG just wants to make sure its them and not you.

Unrelated comment but if you guys want to know what the average GG player is like just watch one of the streams on their official YT channel the chat is literally nothing but people begging for freeroll passwords.

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03-23-2021 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
This . LOL at the “poker dream” wannabes ITT trying to tell GG how to structure its business model

GGs sudden success shows how flawed Phil Galfonds strategy was to break into the market by trying to cater to pros. Wonder how much longer he keeps pouring his money into that pit
Successful yes ethical i would say the juries still out on that one
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03-23-2021 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ten5x
You're assuming GG will only punish the most egregious repeat bumhunters who all they do is bumhunt 24/7, use seating scripts, etc. Their rules are completely arbitrary and you can't even appeal if you think there was a mistake. You're putting all the trust into the person that takes all your money to determine if it was fair that they took your money. Hmm, I wonder if there is a conflict of interest there? So change my initial analogy to the whale at the casino happened to do this twice and was notified by an email after the first time that he may or may not have read, and that would be grounds to take it all.
That's what all the GG poker knights dont seem to understand as the rule is currently written GG can randomly enforce it against anyone they want. You're at a table with 2 fish and 3 players as good as you or better. After a while the 2 fish leave and you feel like you're at best break even versus the other 3 players so you leave. Did you just break GGs TOS? Who the hell knows. Or you dont follow people around but always sit at the table with the biggest donks will GG take your money
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03-23-2021 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
This . LOL at the “poker dream” wannabes ITT trying to tell GG how to structure its business model

GGs sudden success shows how flawed Phil Galfonds strategy was to break into the market by trying to cater to pros. Wonder how much longer he keeps pouring his money into that pit
lmao. You do realise GG growth is down to 2 things. An insane marketing team and most importantly they are willing to bend the rules through the use of agents to allow recs from banned countries to play on their site. This gives them access to players that their competitor sites like stars can no longer get.

For example players from china which is full of recs.
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03-23-2021 , 11:12 AM
From every post ever I've seen on this forum, I believe bumpnrun and golfbum would beg Dahmer to eat their dicks if that meant he promised to eat everyone elses pinky toe. The self-detached masochism is absolutely wild.
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03-23-2021 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
GGs sudden success shows how flawed Phil Galfonds strategy was to break into the market by trying to cater to pros. Wonder how much longer he keeps pouring his money into that pit
You are true a muppet. Rio was aimed to please recs with random names and avatars. How stupid you need to be to think otherwise? Yeah these days it's a rb grinders site because the plan backfired and recs didn't like (or even know) rio.
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03-23-2021 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ment52
From every post ever I've seen on this forum, I believe bumpnrun and golfbum would beg Dahmer to eat their dicks if that meant he promised to eat everyone elses pinky toe. The self-detached masochism is absolutely wild.
I’m not sure why you are attacking me, GG has been pretty consistent with what users they want what users they don’t want, and what they want their site to look like now and in the future. If pros think that they are entitled to get what they want from GG they will be disappointed. GG is a private company and can run it how they choose. If players don’t like it they can take their business elsewhere. If they come to GG and don’t follow the rules, then they get the punishment which is in the TOS.

This isn’t 2008 anymore when sites are concerned about keeping pros happy, The days of SNE are over.

If bumhunting is a pros strategy then I probably wouldn’t risk playing there....

If you are a pro who just happens to win too much playing 20 hrs a day wrecking all the fish and recs, doesn’t offer the site anything(not streaming not bringing fish) they will most likely eventually asked too leave, so far everyone has been able to cash out their BR first.

There are 2 types of people complaining in this thread

1) people who don’t even play there but just don’t like GG
2) bum hunting scum who can’t beat the population without it

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03-23-2021 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
If the ruleset was the same minus the confiscation it would be fine.
THIS!!!!

It is pretty criminal to confiscate their money and put it in their own pockets. However they should just ban their account from playing and immediately cash them out.
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03-23-2021 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
I’m not sure why you are attacking me, GG has been pretty consistent with what users they want what users they don’t want, and what they want their site to look like now and in the future. If pros think that they are entitled to get what they want from GG they will be disappointed. GG is a private company and can run it how they choose. If players don’t like it they can take their business elsewhere. If they come to GG and don’t follow the rules, then they get the punishment which is in the TOS.

This isn’t 2008 anymore when sites are concerned about keeping pros happy, The days of SNE are over.

If bumhunting is a pros strategy then I probably wouldn’t risk playing there....

If you are a pro who just happens to win too much playing 20 hrs a day wrecking all the fish and recs, doesn’t offer the site anything(not streaming not bringing fish) they will most likely eventually asked too leave, so far everyone has been able to cash out their BR first.

There are 2 types of people complaining in this thread

1) people who don’t even play there but just don’t like GG
2) bum hunting scum who can’t beat the population without it
Pretty consistent? They ban dudd1 take his funds face public backlash. Next thing he goes radio silent and is back play there everyday.(dosen't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together as to what happened there). Where is consistency here? MMA was also banned for 'bum hunting' now he is playing there every day again? Where is consistency here?

Don't understand how this is consistent with the users they want and don't want?
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03-23-2021 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Smurf_x
Pretty consistent? They ban dudd1 take his funds face public backlash. Next thing he goes radio silent and is back play there everyday.(dosen't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together as to what happened there). Where is consistency here? MMA was also banned for 'bum hunting' now he is playing there every day again? Where is consistency here?

Don't understand how this is consistent with the users they want and don't want?
MMA admitted his main strategy was bumhunting lol I guess they gave him a 2nd chance.

Why do you think he plays there now? You think he’s worried about get funds confiscated?

Like I said so many times if you don’t like their TOS or business model, how the site operates, no one has a gun to your head to play there....
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03-23-2021 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Smurf_x
Think you guys are missing the point. They are banning the biggest winners from the site and using 'bum hunting' as the cover up for the reason to do it.

They dont give 2 ****s if your bum hunting and a small winning reg just as long as you dont win too much money.

1nvoker was playing Stefan11222 HU on multiple tables and got banned for 'bum hunting'. Yet Stefan is one of the best players in the world. This being the issue.
Thats the truth, but its hope.

Anyone deceived by how GG poker brand winning regs as bumhunters is clearly not playing highstakes themselves.

I think GG is trying to be more poker community friendly. Sure looks like this on their discord and grinder friendly promos. So hope they slowly change the rules and rake to reasonable in cashgames. Sounds like a bitter badreg mtt player wrote TOC after getting action in cashgames.

Are there any GG reps on 2p2
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03-23-2021 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dockun

Are there any GG reps on 2p2
Have you not been reading this thread?
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03-23-2021 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
MMA admitted his main strategy was bumhunting lol I guess they gave him a 2nd chance.

Why do you think he plays there now? You think he’s worried about get funds confiscated?

Like I said so many times if you don’t like their TOS or business model, how the site operates, no one has a gun to your head to play there....
He plays there because the site is full of whales.

And what happened in regards to dudd1 then? how do you explain that one.
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03-23-2021 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Smurf_x
Have you not been reading this thread?
Good one
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03-23-2021 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Smurf_x
He plays there because the site is full of whales.

And what happened in regards to dudd1 then? how do you explain that one.
Why do you think the site is full of whales, do you think it has anything to do with how they are running the site or just coincidence?

And pretty sure VV93 said was bumhunting as well and was allowed to cash out before he left.
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03-23-2021 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
Why do you think the site is full of whales, do you think it has anything to do with how they are running the site or just coincidence?
The site is full of whales because they use agents to get players from whale countries that other sites cannot get. For example Chinese players.

So yes the willingness to bend the rules and take risks that other sites are not willing to take is the exact reason the site is full of whales.

So agree it is how they are running the site is the reason for all the whales.
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03-23-2021 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Smurf_x
The site is full of whales because they use agents to get players from whale countries that other sites cannot get. For example Chinese players.

So yes the willingness to bend the rules and take risks that other sites are not willing to take is the exact reason the site is full of whales.

So agree it is how they are running the site is the reason for all the whales.
Just continue to complain here if it makes you feel better.
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03-24-2021 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Esa_Perse
You are true a muppet. Rio was aimed to please recs with random names and avatars. How stupid you need to be to think otherwise? Yeah these days it's a rb grinders site because the plan backfired and recs didn't like (or even know) rio.

No it really wasn’t so that pretty much turns your insult onto yourself

Phil made it very clear his site was intended to keep the “poker dream” alive . Don’t get mad at me because you got your life situation twisted around in a foolish dream of playing a card game for a living, go get a job
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