I disagree that new accounts should be disregarded

It's obvious that SmallFlush has a massive GG bias and affiliated with them somehow but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to argue their side on the issue. I'm thinking of him as GG poker when I read through his posts. Gives you a better understanding of where that side is coming from. I'm also used to spending time on forums that are regularly populated by paid shill corporations (think bot farms for PR) so I understand the forum warfare a bit better than most and know what to look for

Given that they have messed up would you not say that the action they have taken is the next best course?

To be honest the only truly bad thing about it all is that there is a chance that they are not dsitrbuting it to the players that the 'banned' player won it from.

Thanks for the link.

These terms are clearly ridiculous. If GG wishes to operate on these terms then they should be required to more clearly advertise them. 'Bumhunting' is defined in an unworkably broad way for anyone who ever wishes to not play a game because they don't consider they have an edge (n.b. see recent Limitless pod with CJ - the definition of 'bumhunting' they use would extend to Limi saying to Linus 'not today, I'm drunk').

It should be broadcast that while they maintain these terms, GG as a network has no intention of allowing players to win, and players should take their business elsewhere. Hopefully regulators catch on and blacklist GG in major markets.

Yeah only difference in your amazing analogy being that if you get a second speeding ticket 4 years later you don't get your arm amputated and your car set on fire

The long list of ecology terms at GG looms large over anyone who plays there. Nearly all of it is open to interpretation.

So again, cause a lot of people asking why i was "banned" in the first place, here is the entire screenshot from the email in 2016.



Nowadays, GG-Poker always gives a warning to players before this so-called “ban”.
In my opinion, the email is written vaguely as it does not clearly state that I am banned for lifetime from the entire GGPoker-Network. Instead they wrote “you are no longer welcome to play on our network”. Furthermore, instead of writing that they will confiscate my money if I return, they put it as “...then we will have no choice but to proceed in accordance with our policy”.

This is problematic from my point of view because it certainly played a significant role in me not remembering this.

Something else to keep in mind is that in the 1,5 years i´ve been able to play from 2019 on i didnt receive a warning for bumhunting.


Am I to blame for forgetting over a, and i mean this in the most respectful way, minor thing like 3-5k when i´m playing 5 times the stakes 3 years later?

- Yes

Could i have informed myself about the network before depositting?

- Yes

Are pokerplayers doing that in practice?

- No

Is it my fault that GG-Poker accepted multiple big transfers from me?

- No.

They could´ve just not accept the money and tell me i´m not allowed to play. But instead they took the money, let me use their services and rake a lot of money for them.

Why? They can operate the site whatever way they like? It is their site? The only obligation they have is to make sure the player is paid out in full if they are not found to be cheating and the site would rather just not let them play. After that it is up to the players themselves to decide if they want to play or not on the site.

Why does the site have some obligation to not have ridiculous rules that you don't agree with?

Another important point a lot of you are referring to is the question:

"What´s happening with the money?"

Like i mentioned on site 2 of this thread, if GG wants pay out money to other players, why did none of the players i contacted receive anything?

If they want to give my winnings to the players i won against, does that mean i´m getting back the couple of deposits i lost before finally winning?

That's the part that doesn't sit well with me as a 3rd party to all this. If you confiscate funds then you have to redistribute them no ifs or buts.

The problem from a player POV is that until you get the money off a ANY poker site they are able to confiscate bankrolls. Similar things happen in gamlbing shops when a banned or self-exlcuded person manages to put a bet on. It doesn't matter if it wins or loses, they are refunded the bet as it was void from the very beginning. That is what should be happening here. You should be refunded your deposits (as it was their mistake to accpet them) and then players refunded from the remaining roll.

Surely you can make an exception for Negreanu?

They are giving the money back to non rule breaking players generally, in the form of sticking their necks out with big tourney guarantees that sometimes overlay, using the money to invest in software R & D and its implementation, such as squeezing the river card, rabbit hunting and the obviously brillaint feature that all sites should have had from many years ago, the backing/being backed feature.

The most important use of the confiscated money is for marketing costs, needed because when players aggressively break the ecology rules they are wiping out the fish.

It's just like real fishing, if you over fish the waters the fish stock will dry up.

Some of the 19. things on the list are over the top as being classed by GG as "hanging offences", like offensive chat (surely a temp chat ban and a warning would suffice), but things like ghosting are scummy and done by some stables or groups of players, so if provable then sure ban those players and confiscate their balances. Why should I have to play against a stable's top 2 or 3 players collective minds, if I make it to the last 2 tables of a big prize pool comp. It's just cheating on their part.

So if OP instead had lost 100k, he would still be given his 50k in deposits back since its all voided from the start? Like c'mon man give it up lol.

Yea ive always wondered how these guys making hundreds of thousands of $ playing a skill based intelligence game somehow lack the ability to do a google search.

everyone knows GG hates bumhunters so, while the policy sucks, its definitely OP's fault. before i even played at GG i knew this, and i barely play poker anymore.

How do you know all of this when you say yourself on page 1 that you've never played on GG in any of it's forms?

For last time offtopic.Τhe term ecology is misleading. Ιt is from what point of view everyone sees it. Here it means clear ecology for the pocket of GGnetwork mr. Antoine. I trully believe that Antoine hate proffesional players.His desire is to make poker like slots according to his interview.
Ecology for Antoine means
0 winners,recreationals loosing less,and his pocket skyrocket.
If this also your desires go ahead and keep supporting these tactics

Yeah that's most valid point here and shows how this differs from a brick mortar casino card shark or something like that ban.
This 180k is other players money, GG trying to take it or some of it(giving back deposit part) it's very bad and scummy.

I think you will find this is what everyone is in agreement with in the thread. I'll be interested to see if they make this right. I think they might just from PR perspective but I wonder how many other people in the past have had similar problems and where did all those funds go?

It seems from reading this thread that GG is a site where tonnes of people get banned for VPN's, second accounts etc. Has anyone here or anyone know anyone who has got refunds from them in the past? Surely if the are so active in proactively banning and confiscating all these funds loads of player should have had this happen already.

I’ve never deposited a large amount on any skin where I wasn’t aware what network they belonged to. They say it’s regular practice to do this? I just find that bat **** crazy. That makes zero sense to me. It’s like buying 50k of stock and doing zero research on it. I just find that so hard to believe especially by a seasoned online poker player

hahahahaHAHAHAHA

that just made my day. So true

Thats because you dont know how these sites operate. They have agents who can initiate these transfers for the players. Its not like you take out your credit card with a casual 50k$ daily limit.

Funny that the gg email is addressed to a screen name you never mentioned, I.e., betflanders. Interesting that your screenshot before cut of the name and was sized so that the last sentence did not include the reason - your predatory tactics.....

How many accounts at GG have you really had that were banned already?

At the very least he could have come here and asked around. Not to mention he has high profile friends in poker getting this story out. Listen I agree that GG has some fault in this no doubt in my mind. The most fault is with the player though in this situation. I’m a player and it’s very hard for me to side with the operator but I have to call it like I see it

Because I watched the greatest tournament player of all time and the most likeable and watchable Twitch streamer, Daniel Negreanu, explain these great features the other day on his stream.

The investing the confiscated money in these features and the extra marketing budget to procure new fish to replace those wiped out, is just basic business operational common sense. New player acquisition ain't cheap.

It's also the same crap that dnegs spouts every time one of the sites he endorses rips money away from pros unfairly.

I´m not even sure why i comment on this cause it seems so obvious. But that is the 2016 account that we´ve talked about for 8 sites now.