given he was already banned years prior to that and he had "forgotten" (yeah right)
the most fair thing would be to give him back his deposit and keep the rest?

lol @ expecting anyone to believe this nonsense. A highstakes crusher who doesn't perform the most basic due diligence before making a $50k deposit? Please. You should probably find a new affiliate too if he failed to mention the risk of confiscations, since GGpoker seem so to have a history.

Regardless, given how **** transpired, I think you deserve to have your money returned. Even though I call bullshit on your story, GGpoker is at fault for allowing a player to register with the same exact identity information and KYC documents as a banned account.

Hi, Koray Aldemir here.

First of all, OP is a good friend of mine and I want to vouch for his integrity, etc.


In my opinion there are some scenarios, where confiscating the balance would be legit:

1) If all of this would have happened after Tobi’s first(or I guess one of the first) sessions I think it would obviously be totally justifiable to point out that he wasn’t allowed to play and therefor invalidate his winnings.
But letting him play for 1-2 years and then suddenly claim he was banned all that time is a totally different thing and just not acceptable.

2) I think it would be a lot closer and you could make a point that if he had been rightfully banned for anything shady at all, a delayed punishment would be somewhat more understandable. But while it’s certainly the site’s right to disallow everybody they feel like, the fact that there ‘wasn’t a reason’ that he was banned except for having won, should work in Tobi’s favour imo.
It’s just a totally wrong example GG is trying to set here.

3) Of course if he had made any actions whatsoever to keeping his identity or the fact that he might have been banned secret, he would've been to blame. He didn't though.


And well, this isn't too relevant in my opinion anyways, but since a lot of people seem to be commenting on ‘not knowing GG and N8 are the same network” -

I understand that for people that do follow onlinepoker stuff closely and find the relation obvious, this statement might sound questionable.
As someone being a bit overwhelmed by all the different skins, sites, affiliates and agents myself, I often don’t really know what’s going on and wasn’t aware either(just never thought about it to be fair) that GG and N8 were the same thing for at least a couple of months playing on GG.
Sometimes people just have different perspectives/ways of thinking about stuff.
-> I think it’s a bit harsh to just discredit everything here, just because that fact seems hard to believe for some.

But again, I don't think that's what should be focussed on

These German poker pros all sticking together spouting the same nonsense as each other about how unfair it is that GG confiscated his money for him breaking their rules and how it is so, so possible for a high stakes online pro to not realise that Natural8 is the same company in effect as GG poker.

You all deserve to go busto for being such a bunch of unbearable, self-centred, moral hypocrites.

Bizarre to let him play and lose for 1-2 years before dropping the banhammer as soon as he caught a heater.

Also, seems like Dnegs "*** the pros-attitude" is much appreciated by the losing online players who always seem to gleefully be on the side of pokersites when they are doing something sketchy that makes a pro lose money.

+1

even more disgusting than negreanu are these brand new accounts attacking the germans.

smallflush, just call your mom and say hi or something, maybe shell give you the attention noone ever gave you. just stop trying so hard. kinda embarrassing if you ask me :/

Scenario a) you are paid by gg in some format
Scenario b) you are an exceptionally bitter and unhappy person with a variety of issues.

Its a case of buyer beware. They have their rules and you break them you havnt a leg to stand on.
Would I play there, no.

I don't see many people on the side of the site in the thread. There is though a number of people on the side that the player himself isn't blameless either and the fact he took the ridiculous line of saying he didn't know N8 was the same as GG means many will be much more unsympathetic.

100% though it is completely unfair for the site to take this money and pocket it. The fact they let him play for 1-2 years and then when he wins bring down the banhammer and confiscate funds is ridiculous. It makes it look like GG has discovered a nice little side niche to making money and I am sure he is not the only one they have exploited in this way. They need to be transparent in where this money ends up.

wrong!

if you ban on first session this is an incentive for people keep trying hoping they are not caught

the right thing to do is let it play for as long as possible and only ban on cashout so the cheater suffers punishment

if you ban on first session there is no punishment, its almost a freeroll for the cheater

Rayfox your obviously dnegs, a shill, bad person in too many ways to list, a Russian bot also, unhappy, and probably deeper in your basement than Biden. Oh and a scammer.

exactly, probably they all have pieces of each other

they want us to believe they are german geniuses that beat a complex game and at the same time they are dumb innocent folks that doesnt know basic stuff about the site they are playing lol

Yes, and they have form for this (not being so innocent, that is), in live comps, pieces of each other, therefore soft playing to maximise collective ICM etc. The greatest man alive in the history of Poker, Tony G, sniffed this out very quickly when he played them in the Alpha 8 I think it was.

So we can only imagine what this group of self proclaimed high stakes German friends pros are capable of getting up to online.

Simple facts are that GG is an aquarium, a gold mine for well rolled, high skill cash game players, as well as a haven for cheats. Some of these German high stakes pros have been playing on GG or on its various skins, knowing full well the risk v reward profiles of all aspects of this endeavour.

And now one of them got burned for $180K. Well if his friends are so concerned about his loss then let them donate a small number of BBs each, or better still form an internal insurance scheme/agreement/fund between you to cover or partly cover the losses for when one of your group suffers confiscations.

their goal is to manipulate the community, cause some drama and hope a big name like joe ingram makes the case famous, like that guy who got the jackpot only because 2p2 and joe ingram made the site listen

they were almost succeding with their plan, if it werent for you and me writting the truth for others read probably the thread would go their way

on your bikes germans, you shall not pass here

So, i want my deposit back from 2017.i also played ggpoker win big,they send that they dont want winning players and i should cashout my money.After a while i tried again (via vpn) and they banned me and confiscate my deposit and my winnings also. I m not the only one,i know many players had confiscate their money.Your case i think its close to many players

Thats a cracker, where did you dig that up from? Your obviously a great big one

Most important issue here is why was OP originally banned?

And in general why do people get banned on GG, aside from blatant cheating? So far it's extremely vague (bumhunting can mean a myriad of behaviours) and regardless of your opinion of OP you'd have to be a fool to not be concerned about a poker site which has now become a major player banning players on an ad hoc basis.

This is the most interesting and potentially most helpful reply in this thread so far in terms of what may be legally or procedurally possible in duddi's claim against GG. I would be highly surprised if any impartial court / mediator / oversight body did not take this view. If the claim does go formal, beyond these attempts to raise awareness, a real difficulty for duddi will be jurisdiction. I read a remark on another forum that Curacao will not be so friendly to his cause in this instance. But I wonder whether he might have a claim in the country where he played, Austria, for example.

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The posts from the two August 2020 accounts in this thread are entirely unhelpful to anyone; even if you fully agree with GG's actions here and believe duddi deserved what happened. There is a way to disagree and even make your point forcefully if you wish but you're not even contributing anything to an important conversation. You're just making noise and bitterly celebrating a horrible spot that none of us would ever want to find ourselves in.

How does it work in a live casino if someone wins a big tournament and when they go to cashout, the casino finds out that the player is underaged? I would imagine the money would be confiscated and they would be banned. Seems like a similar situation.

It's likely GG's security protocols are triggered after a withdraw, rather than a random player depositing and playing. I would assume their Terms of Service tell you that your balance is in jeopardy if you break the rules.

With all of that said, this shouldn't be a profit center for GG. The money should go back to every player who played against this guy.

They ban winning cash game players. They give you a strike and ask you to withdraw funds and not play on the site again. This is known. They give excuses to avoid saying this but that is what is happening. I think most people have accepted that this is the road they want to go down. As long as they give the players the strike and ability to withdraw money before banning then no matter what people think of this policy it is their site and up to them what they want to pursue in terms of the game.

Stealing money by not redistributing confiscated funds from violations of this or other terms or not returning to the banned player is another thing altogether.

Do they have the same policy for winning tournament players? Or do they take the view that you have to genuinely graft more to net win at tournaments and are way less likely to be doing so by unfair advantage playing, and obviously can't bumhunt in MTTs.

The reason it looks that they penalised the OP very hard is that he was banned and then came back again, conceptually similar to what happened back in the day to prison escapers who were recaptured, they were mid-level additionally punished for escaping once but if they did it a second time the penalties were extremely harsh.

Same thing happened with MMAsherdog

No tournaments are not the same for the reasons you mention.

They probably don't care if you are winning cash game player and willing to take on all comers either. I am just speculating but if you are winning and in any form look like you only play when there are spots in the game then I'd say it is adios. No one would call game selecting cheating unless of course you are bumbunting fish constantly. I would say the line is pretty grey and if you want to stay on the network at high stakes you have to be willing to battle and give action. That is just my take on it and I can understand completely from an ecology point of view why you would take this line and as long as they give the strike and money back then I think it is their prerogative.

I keep saying where this gets murky on the sites side is what are they doing with that money! It is stealing plain and simple if it isn't being returned in some form to the player pool.

This is pretty much on point. If GG agrees to pay out the 50k deposit, but wants to keep the winnings they would have to pay out all other deposits before as well.
They just try to make it good looking by offering to give the last one back, and still withheld the rest of the money that i did put in their system.


Sadly enough this makes it way more likely they planned this in the long run.


This screenshot shows the "reason" i was banned in 2016. It´s from the email i got from N8 back then. After i asked what has been wrong, they never replied again until now.
There was no cheating, no shady stuff or whatever else going on, just me not fitting in their envirement.......