Most of the above makes sense.

I really want to know if this Bryan guy has stolen from other chip stacks before. If he's dumping thousands of dollars in poker games making 15-20 bucks an hour he's gotta be getting the money from somewhere.

It's possible he stole it bc it was his cut.
It's also possible he stole it because he figured she wouldn't notice it was missing (lol@people saying how can she not notice these chips were missing as though they'd notice a small percentage of their stack missing in whatever games they play) and that if she did she wouldn't really care much anyway.
And I think it's pretty likely it's not his first time stealing chips.

Garret's post is mostly gibberish speculation. He even got a few things wrong about hands. Even if she cheated it's not bc of 90 percent of the things listed in that report and yet it's being treated like some gotcha report. OMG someone said Garret sucks at poker, he's a nit he wants to bankrupt Garret and take his 401k- who gives a ****!

Whether she cheated or not I always thought these streams were begging for scammers. My thought was always some big wsop/wpt event but a nice big cash game works as well.

As an aside before this even happened Berkey has said outside of NJ and Nevada security for streaming poker is pretty bad since there's no oversite.

After the event that happened and the convo ends with you getting back your bet? Are you serious?

This is going to go down as the Reddit Identifies The Boston Bomber of the poker world.

What's happening with Papi? The man is so out of it, can't follow a simple story.

Would be incredibly hilarious if Jake Paul is somehow the ringleader of this whole operation lol.

The Bryan kid backed out of doing Joey’s podcast. Smart move by everyone here. He would only tell on them more thoroughly by going on, nothing to gain from that for any party.

This type of reasoning assumes that Robbi has no agency or sentient capabilities as a human being.

She physically, under her own volition, gave him the money back.

Pretty crazy!!!!! Going to eat some popcorn and wait til the conclusion of this wild story!!

win a hand against this guy and get ready to go to court

if both their hands were face up, wouldn't he want a call with 53% chance to win?

Bad players do more, but they are very consistent in the kinds of mistakes they make and the distribution of their mistakes is stochastic. Cheaters don't do that much stupid ****, but are more obviously bad overall and do things that far exceed typical standard deviations more (like stuff you wouldn't see ever that happens to be right)

Inconsistency is a probably the most common trait all cheaters have, and it really does seem like the more of it that is around, the more likely something worse is going on

Consistency is actually also one of the best traits, and cannot be faked in the long run (it can in the short run)

This is a lot of words to essentially just recap all known information.

This isn’t even a statement.

I respect you for the ambassador you’ve been over the years and always doing the right thing but what even is this?

I don't think it's so hard to postulate, I don't even know why I am arguing because chances are neither of us are really qualified to talk about math

Bryan could have easily taken chips from other players over the months and definitely all the footage needs to be looked at. However if this stealing incident was isolated its almost certainly hes involved. Obviously it can be both as well.

The question is why the discussion took place at all.
I have never seen or heard of a case where someone is felted, packs up and leaves, then demands the player be brought from the table to talk with them. There is literally no reason for this to happen, especially for a seasoned pro. Then suddenly he has his money back for no reason at all?
How do you think that convo went? "Hey, that was a terrible call". "Sure was, do you want your money back?".

Not really that much more if any additional evidence

A lot of was completely irrelevant. We didn’t need a 10,000 word report to tell us there are shady characters in poker.

Bryan is obviously the key here, he would be the signal guy. But moving the file cabinet isn’t a smoking gun.

Here's the thing even if an isolated incidence of cheating is not uncovered:

If someone is willing to cheat for greed in one instance, under ANY arbitrary circumstances, why will they not continue that habit? That greed is still in them. This is actually what karma refers to, or individual tendencies

A change of heart is required, and that will look different for every person depending on a number of things. Sincere cheaters will require great pain to change by their own volition, or a ton of external factors

If there is inconsistency in the true long run, it seems inevitable that it will surface. If it does, all previous actions will be looked at in a different light

An important note is that the pain of being caught cheating should far, far exceed the payoffs of cheating.

Also, keep in mind that there are many ways to cheat that aren't just for money, or even involving other people...

An alternate view - dare anyone consider or spread an alternate view?!

Approximately 30% of all poker players are in a cheating team with Garret. This entire ordeal could’ve possibly even been Robbi’s welcome into the cheating team. They control all information that’s given to media. Might control all investigations. Are highly sophisticated, including somehow appearing to do good and work for justice while actually working for the betterment of the team at the expense of anyone else. One major problem with this would be that there are way too many who are bad actors towards anyone else, they say just destroy anyone else and, there are plenty of honest, good people included in that anyone else category.

The best honest players just figure out what opposing players are doing/who they’re with and quietly figure out how to beat them regardless. But are they really that desperate for opponents? Wouldn’t it be better if the 30% group of cheaters either left poker or stopped cheating? We would be left much more honest poker games or, just fewer games where honest players’ winrates would increase nicely! Even the less skilled ones.

Robbi- has confirmed she thought she had J3. This would explain all of her actions in the J4 vs. 87 hand. Even if she read her hand correctly, it’s a quite rare call on his turn shove but, it’s one of the options available to her and, she was actually ahead.

Possible reasons for her inconsistent explanations of that hand: avoiding shame for misreading her own hand, anxiety about winning such a controversial, large pot, possibly realizing she just beat a highly sophisticated poker cheating team and she now has a huge stack of chips/cash and what kind of people are highly sophisticated poker cheaters?, shortly after the J4 vs 87 hand she was cornered by Garret where he convinced her to give back the 135k profit for her win in it yet, she stuck around and wanted to keep playing (who wouldn’t?), took interviews/questions and has been available and talking online since this.

Possible reasons for giving back the 135k - intimidated/scared, threatened/coerced, she was paid off secretly, avoiding confrontation/nice/being highly sympathetic or understanding.

Garret- has an almost unrealistic winrate on the streams? Along with one or two other players who are just that good and no one would ever question that? Swindled Robbi for the money back from the hand then left the scene soon after. On some high horse online since, when he actually is available. IF he was cheating, all it took was his device to get signaled and a solid acting job of switching moods/roles into the “stunned” honest player once he saw her cards or, if the signal was only which player is ahead, his reaction to her exact holdings could have genuineness. Then ditching/destroying his device. Reminds me of the Bryan employee who got caught stealing 15k off Robbi’s stack (proven liar, everything is lies as a false facade to the ugly truth).

Bryan- stole 15k from Robbi’s stack after this all happened. After quick calculations, that roughly 10% of Robbi’s profit?! This seems like a desperation move from the real team of cheaters to manufacture false implication on Robbi (with Bryan). After the event but before being caught for the theft insists that there’s zero possibility of cheating from IT/production. Consistent with someone who is trying to make sure that his work doesn’t get inspected (possibly for Garret’s team’s sake). What’s next?! False confession to manufacture guilt against Robbi?! How could they do that to her, or anyone?! I believe that Bryan was the real team’s inside man who left open the card software to the hacker who has been signaling Garret and whoever else on the streams.

Chirping noise- another safe-guarding planted by the team to falsely implicate Robbi.

With all of this together, they’re willing to totally destroy her, set her up, even to prison possibly (or secretly pay her off) in order to keep the destructive, evil cheating of anyone else going.

I’m still wondering why no one else has posed this potential solution or if it’s all a big level or similar.

Obviously this is all possibly not the case. When I first saw the article and footage, I wondered if she cheated yet, stayed open minded. Then 1.5 days later ITT was the first time someone posed that what if Garret had been the one cheating. Still stayed open minded and followed story and thread and this all seemed to click together to me.

I’m an honest poker player, hoping for less/minimal/zero cheating in poker with this. And safety, vindication for any victims, etc.

I’m also currently a poor, honest poker player. With an American family/responsibilities. So, any bankroll contributions would be extremely nice! If this turns out to be the actual story. micfjs at icloud

Has this really not all clicked for/been seen by anyone else?

Which should mean there should be many, at least multiple clear cheating Robbi hands we should easily be able to find like with Postle, but so far there has only been 1 hand. This flies in the face of your logic.

From what I can see in that huge Garret report he could not present a single other incriminating cheating hand, and you know he has been going over every hand with a fine tooth comb. Apparently the cheaters went to all these lengths to cheat on 1 hand, a flip. Instead all he presented was a bunch of character assassination and innuendo.

This is a very serious allegation; I don't believe someone of Garrett's experience and status would make it without being 100% certain. I didn't think much about the hand when I watched it in a vacuum, but combined with all of the other information, there is obviously something worth investigating here.

I agree, Jungle. But unfortunately, Robbi is the short run while Postle gave us the long run. I simply can't believe with 100% confidence that she cheated given the uncertainty and current sample size. Garrett actually gave me more circumstantial evidence towards not cheating than I thought I had. And I was leaning cheated after the Bryan info. And to be clear, I think cheating through table collusion is possible and likely here. But I can't confidently say collusion through inside production information is likely.

It's so obvious Most of you Nerds have no real street life experiences lol and this whole situation is completely insane lol

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I mean yea he got caught stealing 15k he should probably shut his ****ing mouth and not go on podcasts.

Fair replies I'm open minded.

Another thing I don't get as Durrr pointed out is why the loanee waited until Gareth was going to make a statement to go public with that info. If that was me in the midst of a big scandal I would reveal it straight away to clear the air.

Garrets was 100% at the time. Now he thinks its "very likely".

Man I got no idea if she was cheating or not but..

"Based on the evidence presented below"

You seem like a smart guy but you keep using the word evidence like you don't understand the definition. Saying some guy told you that some other guy moved some cabinets of which the purpose was to see hole cards isn't evidence.


Also **** like a known degen gambler in debt to multiple people posting a tweet like "how do u cheat in chess asking for a friend lol" or whatever is hardly a "troublesome" development.