You discord guys act like geniuses who know way more than everyone involved, yet earlier in the thread you had no idea that the tablet on the table was an action timer.

You posted a theory where you thought the tablet is connected to the shuffler and the number on the display counts how many cards are inside.

Funny how you look down at other investigations, but couldn't work out something anyone who has watched a streamed cash game knows.

Also a week or so ago you said the finale is ready to be released, i.e. the results of your investigations. I noticed you are now saying they will come in due time. I don't get why you bother lying at this point because not many people believe you or care, so stop giving dates.

What a remarkably unintelligent reply. Bulletproof may well be a highly regarded investigative team, but if they are brought in on a very limited brief on what to examine, and only given very limited evidence to review, with the important film evidence being withheld from them, then the quality of their findings will be severely compromised, so much so as to make it worthless.

It is worth the person replying to actually think this over before rushing to any more ill judged attacks on me or anyone else.

A shame the person lacks the suss to think the obvious, "hmm, I wonder WHY the film was withheld from the so called investigators?"

And having already TWICE quoted the precise part of the report where the investigators themselves state they didnt have access to all the film, it is kind of pathetic for the respondent to ask, "Where do you get that the investigation team did not see the footage? What confirmed source told you this or where did you read this, or are you making something up to fit your narrative like you have consistently done?"

He's an even worse poster than Roger, who I have blocked to save being exposed to his nonsense.

Major lol at these “BuLLEt pROof Is a tHiRd PaRty iNveStiGatOr…” takes.

Bulletproof was hired by Nick Vertucci and Ryan Feldman..not the Supreme Court. They’re Hustler Live’s customer and they looked at what they are told to look at. What they concluded was it was unlikely that any electronic systems were compromised,however, it was 100% possible that somebody in the control room could easily rely information out to the casino floor. The room was shared by the booth, too many people were allowed in, plus the the surveillance camera was intentionally blocked where Bryan was sitting.

What do you think?

I think he can’t return without giving Robbi her money back and I think he has so high morals or ego that he is not going to do that.

Is it possible for him to continue to play without paying Robbi back?

I didn’t want to post this in the big thread because it’s mostly certain nicknames arguing with each other.

They can’t come over here and argue?

Having another stand alone thread wouldn't help with that but just clutter up the forum.

Please use the "report post" function if there are posts that violate our rules.

"Not only did they pay for it, but they told them what to look at!"

So the New England Fish and Chip company wasn't going to pay for it, and yeah you have to give guidance on the scope of investigation

The people that think their post is worth a new thread have actually turned out to be bigger dummies than the regular crowd in main thread

I think this thread has become a little tiny bit TLDR. Since there are not 15,783 separate things to say about all this I thought I might provide a quick summary. Here it is:

Cheat camp: The passed polygraph test, the inconclusive report, and the unclaimed $250k reward all prove that she cheated, also your Mom was signaling the floorman. Anyone who disagrees with me is a Buffoon.

No Cheat camp: It is obvious she did not cheat because reasons and because I thought it, also the Moon landings were real. Anyone who disagrees with me is a Fool.

I think that covers everything.

Bottom line if it were a legitimate investigation it would be hands off for Vertucci, Feldman, HCL…. You don’t allow them to continue streaming like nothing happened. There’s no argument against it.

So what happened? Unless evidence cones to light, this is what occurred:

A rec got emotionally involved in a pot and made a confused steam FU call against a regular she didn’t want to lose to. The regular accused her of cheating but has provided no evidence.

I’m not sure why that means the stream needs to be shutdown. Are players forced to play on the stream?

If no one wants to play then the stream can’t run. But even people like Voulgaris went and played on the stream after all of this went down

Not sure what you mean by hands off for those guys, the San Diego Zoo wasn’t going to come in and temporarily run things and coordinate with Bulletproof on the investigation

It’s really embarrassing. One of Raverpoker, DGAF, et all…are either in here or at Hustler. That’s their whole lives…

Lol sure, but Bob said he was sure there was cheating like 100 times before and after he went on the show. Dude cares more about social influence than he does about a bit of cash, plus he got that big chip dump from Eric that time he went on PokerGo.

And if people want to play on the stream then let them.

Not sure why it needs to be shutdown like another poster said

It’s not like a factory that might be sending out bags of spinach with E. coli which may be consumed by unaware customers. HCL participants were all fully aware some lady called with jack high.

The reason it would need to be shut down is if they're operating an unfair game and are drawing people into the unfair game under the premise that it's fair in order to take their money. That's clearly illegal, and it's extremely likely that's happening. They are running a social media campaign asking people to come play in their game, and the results of the winners in this game have generally been considered impossible. They also have no public results outside of this game to prove they're good players.

Were the public and all players aware that the game is a reality show and rigged then it's no big deal, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

All accusations, nothing proven. Sure after the fact if it’s established the game was rigged maybe some players might have a case if proven that HCL knew it

But as of the current moment there is nothing and HCL doesn’t necessarily need to shut down

For some players they might view it like playing on apps. There’s a decent chance of shenanigans going on but they feel they can probably win anyway. Anyhow that’s all up to them, again everyone who plays is well aware of accusations and as a general concept are also aware that live streams have been compromised in the past. Yet they choose to play.

That was only 7 days in, we were still trying to figure everything out.


I am talking about the medium post I wrote which summarized how the cheating occurred. When I first posted it, I believe your response was “39 minute read, LMAO”. So I am guessing you didn’t read the post, which is why you are confused.

Meh I think it's probably because he uses the same method himself. I've seen some videos where he's giving a monologue and tanking while staring out at the casino floor before making a ridiculous read. Maybe he's actually the best player ever but has no history of being the best player ever when not playing in this game, but my guess is that he's cheating and used the floorman signaling method himself a bunch of times. It's the best explanation for how he's able to maintain such an extreme win rate in a game where he thinks cheating is happening.

So you have it all figured out now?

Big difference being that games taking place in casinos are subject to laws and regulations.

The players know the deal and risks with streams and play anyway. Job#1 of any poker player is to protect yourself.

They aren’t babies being fed poisoned Gerbers

Heh, I'd accept that if they didn't have people going around promoting the game was fair in order to trick new people into it. Since they are doing that, we're looking at something predatory.

Everyone knows about J4 and the accusations, I don’t see the trick part.

It's the part where you guys pretend that J4 is the only thing wrong with that game.

And you think playing online has less issues to worry about then HCL?