Some people like berkey will never be able to admit they were wrong. Even Doug who is incredibly stubborn backed off some of his convictions. It's like politics or religion where some ppl will never change their mind.

I think part of it is embarrassment too as they just assumed backing Garrets claims had to be the sharp side by default. In the end garret did prove to just be a total weirdo. One who also openly admits to covering up cheating in the past when it was to his benefit, one who openly lied about having evidence in his possession, etc. And despite all that I doubt anyone in the thread can come up with a more sanctimonious person in poker then Garret. I really don't understand why people are so devoted to defending him.

what if I dont like garret but still think she cheated

I just deleted a bunch of posts by and responding to a brand new account that was nuked.

And that would be quite a dumb way to do it

Worst cheaters ever

Zero evidence?

Alex Duvalls Youtube channel has a video about Garretts return and in the pinned comment it says:

Thought the original return was 12/29 at Hustler...

I think most people lean towards Robbi cheated. This is a safe space though so you see a lot of different opinions

That's all you need to know dumbass. A single signal to tell you if you're ahead or behind will win you infinite money in the long run. It's a bad idea to try to signal exact hands.

Lol yeah and Robbi and all of them are sitting around counting their infinite money right now. Was it Robbi’s fake thumb that was getting the signal?

But I’ll let you come up with the main flaw of the plan yourself

Not counting non poker people who saw it in mainstream press and probably forgot all about it:

Those who saw the hand and maybe a Polk video seem to think she was guilty.

A majority of those who followed it closely and know most of the facts moved to innocent, as is evident in this and other threads.

For example, Garrett's big text dump was persuasive at first and you see that in the initial replies. But as it was digested and examined most realized there was little of substance. Some of it is laughable now. Like does anyone think Nik Airball might be involved?

While I'm in the camp that thinks Robbi cheated, I disagree that "most people" lean that way. I think it's the opposite, quite possibly 75/25 against cheating in the community.

Whatever happened is certainly debatable, my question is why did Garrett stay away so long? Was he so traumatized by the event that he had to distance himself from the game he supposedly loves because some plastic chick and her cohorts may have cheated?

Man up and push on, the soldiers in saving Private Ryan didn't collapse and quit for several months just because the first guy took a round.

That happened again.

Save your time and ignore the trolls instead of responding to them. If their accounts get nuked, replies to them will be deleted too.

Nobody knows the distribution of what people think, and forum inferences are not that reliable since some people are incredibly active in driving the conversation one way or another.

In addition, not everyone’s thoughts are worth the same. Some are worth nothing while others are basically an authority.

So sayth the shepard with the most worthless opinions.

So sayth the guy on side with absolutely crickets on evidence. I’m sure a bombshell is incoming and Nik Airball will soon break his silence (it’s tough to get him to talk) on the big conspiracy

I think she didn't cheat or she somehow saw his cards that one hand. It's possible she did cheat.

But most of these people who are so sure she cheated just look at the one single hand without looking at her overall play. They think things like her having chips stolen is a smoking gun. They ignore her going back to play after she's accused of cheating rather than leaving with whatever cheating device she had on her.
Now it's possible she cheated. But basically they decided she cheated and then based on that conclusion think things that aren't remotely proof of cheating prove she did. It's pretty comical.

It's really 1/2 nl fish logic.
Even if it was somehow proved she cheated they'll pound their chests "derp derp I knew she cheated when that Bryan guy stole her chips"
The same way they think they played a hand well bc the flush got there against there set and "if I bet the turn you would have called anyway"

Funny enough I don’t think she realized that she was being accused of cheating until some time after she got back to the table. But to your point she didn’t leave. But all of it are strong points on the side of no cheat.

He was vague in the hallway “you know you messed up” probably taken to mean getting confused, misusing blockers, tired of getting run over, and calling with jack high.

She seemingly had no idea she was going to be accused of being a part of a massive conspiracy where she was getting signaled via a buttplug or fake thumb.

She probably felt she was just dealing with a sore loser so she gave him some money back as if he won one of the boards as opposed to getting scooped

A perfect example above.

it seems impossible to be sure if she did/did not cheat.

But then the point is how certain do you have to be to publicly accuse someone of cheating and keep the money? That’s where Garrett ****ed up.

It boggles the mind how so many can be so convinced of someone's guilt with literally zero evidence.

She was a poker noob, on a stream, playing with someone else's money, and had a brain fart.
To build a bridge to get to her cheating while using the absolute worst possible hand to do it, is embarrassing (for the "She cheated crowd")
You have literally zero evidence, remember when we were told there was some vibrating device on her hip or her chair?
Ya, let's have the device used on the chick with half a skin tight shirt wear it!

You people who think she cheated are so stupid it's hard to imagine you' re able to drive and make it to the tables at all.

To me, the only evidence that would point to cheating actually exposes your hero Garrett.
how Garret assumed instantly that he was cheated . . . it was as if he knew cheating was going on and was in on it, and couldnt believe it was used against him
I mean, the guy who destroyed the field to the tune of millions, using extreme aggression and getting folds . . . faaaaaar more likely he was cheating than Robbi.

When was the last time you lost a big pot to a noob and threw the biggest stink in the history of poker seconds later crying about cheating?
Then demanded the money back on the spot you were so convinced you were cheated?
That takes some serious God-complex or insider knowledge of cheating.

Gun to my head, if I had to choose who was more likely to be cheating, I'm picking Garrett.
Far more evidence of that than for Robbi

Garrett fanboys are pathetic.

Agreed with the bolded.

I can't even fault him for his in the moment reaction filled with emotion. It's everything since then is a joke.

It's amazing how much money he gave up bc of this one pot. It's funny how life works bc a quarter of the time he scoops she mucks and everyone just assumes the cameras had the wrong cards for her.

Half the time they chop he's like thats kinda weird but he probably still keeps playing. And a quarter of the time it all goes to hell.

And he can't even claim he stopped playing bc he's a man of principle bc he doesn't care about principle or integrity at all.

"Guys I know you cheated but give me my money back and I'll say nothing and my you continue to cheat tons of players I know"

Someone has never lurked democraticunderground.com
I assure you, the conspiracies there would rock your world

One thread long ago said that Prescott Bush had more to do with the Holocaust happening than Hitler
They were convinced that the Bush's controlled the planet down to the tiniest detail.

I love a good conspiracy theory, they're fun to play with in your head, but let's be honest, 95% of them are bunk . . . or is that what I want you to believe?!?!?!