When a "Guarantee" is made, it should not only encompass the prize pool but also the basic schedule of the tournament. Suddenly making the tourny end on a Tuesday when it was supposed to end on a Sunday, after players have already bagged and tagged, kind of destroys the idea of a "Guarantee". Shame on Gardens.

anyone know what the final prize pool got to and how much was added saturday and sunday?

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Prize pool: $1 million

Appears they had to add $9,500....

thank you. any info on how many entered saturday and sunday (the added days)?

also buy in is $565, so technically they brought in 1,120,000

Not good to hear they managed to avoid the overlay. That might set a very bad precedent for others to follow in the future.

If they don't crack down on Gardens, eventually some casino will offer a 50 million guaranteed and then just keep adding flights for months until they hit it.

i called the gaming commission and they basically said "they are legally allowed to change the schedule."

i then said "well they submitted a schedule to you and you guys approved it correct? you didnt approve this schedule."

then she said
"well we approved that they could change the schedule at anytime."

"then why the **** do you approve anything? they could have a 50 million guaranteed tournament and change it to end in the year 2050"

Agree, this story is completely mind-blowing / disgusting.

where do you think gaming commission employees go for a cushy job when they leave that job.??

right to who they bent the rules for.

Saw a tweet that claimed 1360 entries after friday.

So a loss of more than 231k (including rake)

no. i doubt any company would let you keep your job if you missed work because of dying.

Pretty ridiculous they changed the Day 2 time. I mean, adding starting days is shady enough but I could understand it at least from their standpoint, moving the second day's date is beyond shady. Not that I was likely to given the only poker I really ever play in America is in Vegas but will def never play there now.

Why should it surprise you? This casino showed what they were about when they canceled other tournaments to add more flights so they wouldn't have to pay the loss. They're scum. They don't give two ****s about the players, their actions show that. So more scummy crap from them shouldn't be shocking.

With all the tournaments in California year round anyone that chooses to go back to this place should have their head examined.

Again, it's not a matter of getting canned*. Maybe I and others are not explaining this well enough, or maybe you don't have a job, so your image of every workplace might just be based on every Dilbert cartoon you've ever seen.

To answer your questions directly, it depends on the situation, but in most cases, if I get sick, I still show up. There are a few parts of my job for which I'm literally the only person in my area code who knows how to do it* (or who can do it well enough).

Just to give you a different real-world example, both my father and brother are doctors. Granted, if they had to cancel a Monday, they wouldn't get fired (one owns his own practice, so he's the boss). The nature of their medicine is certainly not life-and-death. Still, it would greatly inconvenience a bunch of patients, some of whom booked their appointment weeks and months before, to say nothing of their staff. The cancellation would then cause a chain reaction that affects the remainder of the week for them.

Fortunately, my job doesn't have nearly the importance of my fellow family members, but my absence on the wrong day would cause a ripple effect.

Hell, it already happened earlier this year during one of the NCAA men's basketball tournament sites. I'll spare everyone the details because my role in that event is rather esoteric, but suffice to say the people who replaced me were from 50 miles away (again, the area code), and they proved too inexperienced for an event of that magnitude.

Life-and-death consequences? Of course not. It's a basketball game, for Chrissakes, and my role is behind the scenes with no bearing on the play on the court. The only direct result was that the Iona and Oregon basketball coaches were a little miffed, a few reporters had to sweat their deadlines, and I would guess both ESPN and CBS had to shut off their live online coverage for that game. (Most people are watching the game on TV, anyway.)

Fired? No. The tourney organizers weren't my employers, but rather some colleagues who I was helping out. Plus, I had a legit reason for backing out, and they had known it was a possibility for weeks. But I would have burnt a few professional bridges if turned out my reason for bailing on them was to play in a poker tournament in L.A.

*In fact, my skill set is so specialized that I'm probably far less likely to get fired than most people. It also makes it tough for me to get promoted. Sometimes, job security is both a blessing and a curse.



And herein lies the root of the misunderstanding. You talk like I'm trying to find a reason to avoid going to work. I'm trying to find any reason to avoid missing work.

Problem is, adding the flights doesn't make any difference to rec players, they don't care/know about things like overlays. All they care about is how much first place wins.

Changing the day will maybe annoy some of them but honestly most of the recs who get deep will probably just be happy to be deep and not mind taking a day or two off work.

I disagree with the assertion that "recs" don't care about this kind of change, if anything, "recs" are the ones who would be most pissed off about it!

A random degenerate "pro" isn't going to care if he has to play on Monday and Tuesday. However, a "rec's" schedule has just become f'd because instead of tourny ending on a Sunday, Gardens changes it to end on a Tuesday, after the "rec" has already bagged and tagged!

There are plenty of "recs" with professional careers that would rather be at their careers on Monday and Tuesday, as was planned, and now have to make a decision, perhaps even forfeit their stack. "Pros" don't have this dilemma, playing poker is supposedly what they do full time.

Stop viewing "recs" through the lens like they're all burger flippers who would happily skip work, many "recs" have much more important professional careers than spending a Monday and Tuesday in a card club. Changing the schedule midway was terrible for them.

expecting overlay from Hawaiian Gardens......... LOL.

+1 Thanks. Saved me typing it out.

Bad business and ethics on the Casino's part. I wouldn't play there.

They profited $110,000 from this, instead of having to cover the overlay like they should have.

Disgusting.

Nobody should ever play there again.

There should be a barrage of bad reviews of them on pokeratlas and any social medium possible to give them bad PR about this. Or else they'll surely do it again.

You are the kind of person I would want to hire. The other guy wouldn't get hired or, if hired, would be first in line to get canned. Well put.

-BD

When were days 3 and 4 supposed to be? Wouldn't some people have had to take off Monday anyway?

(It would be a smaller number though doing it for a higher reward.)

a casino should never change the dates or times to fit their benefits after giving a guarantee at the expense of the players.

that destroys the purpose and value to enter of a guarantee

I find it surprising noone has commented on the fact that its quite legitimate that people (regs and pros alike) could have travelled to the casino from further than an hour away, booked accomodation and so on to find out the weekend break playing poker has all of a sudden turned into something taking closer to a week. God help people if they have flights etc involved as well... Easily turns into a HUGE cluster****