TE, PPA et al.


thank you for your extensive efforts regarding these matters


there are many of us who understand truly how difficult it owuld be for a third party to meet with the DOJ to hear arguments and perspectives of victims regarding a case as politicized and public as this one.

please do not be deterred by the senseless bashing and moronic posts that have been populating this thread. some are truly baseless and downright embarrassing.


thank you for your efforts again in representing hte player's rights in this case.

Some U.S Attorneys have no problem whatsoever making up lies to further their careers.

yank,

please wait until you could provide useful information to the victims. dont string out your presence until then!

yes, you will have a lot to say whats going to happen? lol

Far more than if we have no representation.

Finally found my final balance. I had to go under Requests in the lobby and then order one up for around BF time. They send you an email when it's ready.

No way. $4/1k was a while ago. You wouldve been lucky to get $3/1k in the weeks leading up to bf iirc

I made a mistake earlier iTT when I said the original FT thread was open for 17 months. It was only open for 11 months. 8/11>7/12. It contained 37,572 posts.

I've gotta say I'm pretty appauled at the way people treat the PPA on here. It is unconstructive to the cause whether you agree with them or not. If you think you can represent poker players interests better than the PPA currently does, then for the love of god please start your own organization yourself rather than cry about them here.

You are saying that somebody with suggestions or criticisms about the PPA as an advocacy organization SHOULDN'T express them to the PPA, which for better or worse is an entrenched interest group, but SHOULD start a competing organization, which will do nothing but muddle the waters?

That's just... bizarre.

Somebody put some cliffs in the first post?

Here's their BBB entry. 11 years, 22 resolved complaints -> A+.

"The Garden City Group brings a track record of handling the administration of some of the country’s largest and most complicated settlements"

How'd they only get 22 BBB complaints if this is true? Even if they do everything right, they'll probably get 50 just from people in NVG.

I thought everyone was aware that the BBB is a joke

I'm not referring to what you could sell it for on 2p2. An exchange established between players that had nothing to do with FTP beyond the points themselves. What you are mentioning also incorporates the uncertainty that had started to creep in a little bit around that time when cashouts drastically slowed. That exchange was neither official nor endorsed, and I'm pretty sure secondary market evaluations won't come in to play if they decide to assign a value to the points et. al.

If you look what you could buy from the FTP store (merchandising, tourney tickets, ring game tickets, cash bonuses and anything else I forgot), it worked out to approximately $4/1k. Some items were better, some were worse, but that's a pretty good average. It was fairly easy to estimate when you could price items through retailers and compare. This would have been the value assigned to the fpp by FTP itself, which I think would carry the most weight.

I find it far more bizarre that you think another organization fighting for the rights of poker players would muddy the waters more than help.

They wouldn't be "competing" organizations.

22 complaints over 11 years and probably millions of transactions is a minuscule percentage.

I thought it was obvious he was commenting on the way people spew sh in a manner they would not even consider irl and not that they had criticisms.

You are better than that pineapple.

Can you explain this in a bit more detail? What exactly am I supposed to request? There's a bunch of items under the "Requests" menu and none of them mention "balances".

Look for deposits instead.

Perhaps that is because a large number of online poker players are socially awkward shut-ins who are constantly negative and complain about things for no good reason.

Under "Requests" is "Account History". On the next screen there are three sections. I checked 1. Transactions 2. Real Money 3. From March 2011 to May 2011. Once they send you an email confirming the report is done, you go back to the Main Lobby and under the Requests will be listed "Account History (Web)"

Please name ONE concrete thing PPA has EVER done? We are TWO years out from black friday, and 7 or 8 years out from the Unlawful Internet Gambling act and we still don't have online poker in the land of the free while communist china does. PPA is an absolute JOKE.

You do understand we have actual opponents, right? You seem to think there's a magic way to get Congress to bend to the will of the poker community and that PPA has simply failed to find it.

There's no magic bullet. We all have to work together to stand up for ourselves. PPA isn't a "they" who owes you a fight, at whom you should be angry for not giving you what you seem to feel you're due. Rather, PPA is our shared fight for our rights.

Yeah, the DoJ controls the process and we simply have input. Not sure why you take such glee in that.

PPA isn't a for-profit group offering to sell a service. It's us working together for our rights. Help is always welcomes. What's not are people who act angry that they aren't getting what they feel they are owed, yet who won't go out and figure out a better way either.

The poker community is responsible for its own success. We should all be writing and calling our lawmakers, participating in the daily action plan, encouraging others to organize and fight back, etc.

Nonsubstantive attacks on PPA because we're in a tough fight don't really accomplish anything as far as i can tell. If you have an idea on how to improve, please share. OTOH, people who complain that it's a tough fight really aren't bringing anything new to the table. We all know it's a tough fight. Too bad we aren't all acting like it.

It is an uphill battle for the PPA, I just think the PPA has little to influence on what our government does. There's tons of advocacy groups like yours in other fields pushing for different agendas, but the government could care less. Start donating big bucks to government related businesses and then you might have some leverage in the matter. I also think the PPA can be misleading to some in terms of their interests - I know before the PPA there were people fighting for our rights without being paid a penny, but things have changed. The PPA pays salaries to their members(probably generous amounts) and don't even pay taxes due to their non for profit organization. I'm fine with this since it is a business and they deserve to get paid, but I feel like the PPA tries to take a stance like they're fighting for poker players for free. I'd be curious to see how much "surplus" the PPA has at the end of every year and where that money goes.