most people don't read their spam folder

Of all of the problems that we've encountered in this process, this one was one that clearly should have been avoided. Having important announcements filtered out of spam by the major email providers is a project management FAIL to the nth degree.

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this remission does seem shady it looks like with quick closing window of 2 months and there way of contacting players a lot of people will not be contacted in time or at all and to have only bank transfers and not checks thru regular mail seems like a design to leave out a lot of players by not being informed garden city group is like the best kept secret ever. I wonder why they didn't send regular mail to there last address on file its weird most cases iv seen sent thru regular mail.

Leaving out players without a bank account? That's surely a miniscule portion of players. There is really no chance ach was chosen as the payout method in order to exclude people. It's just cheaper, faster, and easier.

what about sending a letter to players with the address they had on file to notify them. i mean the post office is hurting atm. iv gotten many letters about class action lawsuits and court settlements thru the mail but never a email only one.

Read the most recent update by GCG. They are sending post cards in the mail.

Why is everyone so angry, and why is everyone trying to twist around a completely obvious and clear situation?

First, the "mis-identified as an affiliate" issue... I'll try an analogy, although that might be a little deep for some of the knuckleheads around here...

If you go down to the courthouse and spend 5 minutes getting a marriage certificate, you are legally married. It doesn't matter if you sleep with your wife every night, or whether you ever see the woman again, for that matter.

If you don't like being married, too bad. If you don't think you are "really" married, too bad. If the government says you can't get married again, they are RIGHT, and if you get married again, you are WRONG. You can't say "Oh the government mis-identified me as being married". You are married... deal with it.

Now, it's possible that the woman disappeared on you seven years ago or whatever... and there is a PROCESS for getting that marriage dissolved... but it's a ****ing PROCESS. IF YOU GOT MARRIED, YOU CAN'T JUST LATER RANDOMLY CLAIM THAT YOU ARE NOT MARRIED, and (legally speaking) you can't just conveniently redefine the term "married" whenever you feel like it.

For FTP affiliates, if you VOLUNTARILY signed up, you are an affiliate. WHAT IS SO ****ING HARD ABOUT THAT CONCEPT?

If they DID make a mistake in putting you on the list, that's a different situation. That's NOT what I'm talking about.

2.) Waiting to file a petition

Even the suddenly passionate 1938ford agrees (if I remember correctly) that there is no harm in waiting. SO WHY NOT ****ING WAIT TO SEE IF YOU GET SOME CLARITY instead of outright lying and claiming you are NOT an affiliate because 1938ford thinks he can just make up whatever definition he wants for the word?

I'm done. Have fun sticking your heads in the sand.

I am one of the 1.375 million that have not filed yet. It took 10 days but I received my P&C #s. I am waiting to see if clarification comes in regards to limbo funds and the timing of payments for contested vs uncontested applications.

Of the 4 possible balances possible for my account the one they have is the second highest total. I am currently in the necessary process of spending all my remissions money.

There is more than one definition to the word affiliate.

Just filed. Balance was about $200 higher than my last balance as of 4/18. Anyone else experience this?

Obv I'm not concerned I just want to know what it may be. I did have probably about $200 worth of iron man medals. Anyone with a similar higher balance?!

Until recently, if you were a same-sex couple and got a marriage certificate at the courthouse, the federal govt didn't recognize you as married. The definition of marriage has changed.

Similarly, a "marketing affiliate" is not the same thing as a "corporate affiliate". Go read all the federal laws and regulations on remissions and find out if legally FTP marketing affiliates should be excluded. Then you can come back here and again talk like you know something, because then you actually might know something.

Several have posted a similar experience. They have noted it as conversion of Tournament Tickets or Take 2 awards.

Still haven't received an email after requesting they send again 4-5 times. I even made a gmail account and requested they send P&C #'s there last week. Still nothing

Did you request by email or phone? Try the other one.

Request your account history from FT through June 1st. You will find it there. Around May 20th, they credited accounts for Rake Back and Tournament $ and tickets.

If I remember correctly, the Take 2 money was credited in late April.

Are you serious? How on earth can getting married be an analogy for being labeled an FTP affiliate? But, I do want to address this to see who the knucklehead just might be.

First, you do not just go down to the courthouse and get a marriage certificate and voila you are married. First, you go to the correct county office (usually the county clerk) and get a marriage license. Then a Marriage Officiant authorized by the state performs a ceremony. When the ceremony is over everybody signs the marriage license, The license then goes back to the county recorders office and then the county records the marriage, reports it to the state and issues the marriage certificate.

So, from your own mouth, comes more evidence as to your habit of posting on subjects you know nothing about.

How about this for an analogy. You meet a girl in a bar and you hit it off. She says I will only sleep with you if we get married. So, you say okay and you sleep with her. Are you married? I mean, you agreed to be married didn't you? You received a benefit from the agreement didn't you? So, you must be married right? I don't think so. Now, she files as being married to you on her taxes and you file as single. The government now has you on a list that says you are married and they audit your return. Are you married because your name is on a list? I don't think so.

FTP says you can only get rakeback from us if we open or change your account and label you an affiliate. You say okay. FTP keeps up their end of the deal, they give you some of your money back every time you play. So, you must be an affiliate, right? I don't think so. All you are getting with rakeback is a percentage of your own money returned as a reward for playing. Is that what an affiliate really is? I don't think so.

If I have a frequent flyer account with an airline and they credit my account points that can be used to buy things, just like money, every time I fly with them am I an affiliate? I don't think so.

What is so hard for you to understand that even if a person knowingly signed up and agreed to being labeled an affiliate does not, in and of itself, make that person an affiliate, in the legal sense and definition of what an affiliate actually is?

I don't make up definitions, but, unlike you I at least take the time to look them up and read and understand them BEFORE I start dispensing advice to people. Also, I usually stick to posting here about subjects I actually know something about. You should try this yourself. Then maybe people won't be so "angry" with you. Just a thought.

Also, please point out where it was that I suggested anybody "lie" about being an affiliate anywhere or anytime. You seem to equate lying with telling the truth. A person that does not believe they are an affiliate is not lying or committing any illegal act when they swear or affirm they are not not an affiliate. This holds true no matter how many people tell them they are and no matter how many lists their name may appear on. If a person genuinely and in good faith believes a they are not an affiliate then it is within there legal right to swear to that without fear of repercussion.

The sand leaves us far cry better than you must be, what with your head up your ass all of the time!

I have no intention of being part of the ongoing debate.

However, I want to point out something I think is bizarre, and really stupid.

In Michigan, at least in 2005 in Wayne County, which includes Detroit, and is the highest population county in Michigan, the people being married do not sign anything. My wife and I picked up our marriage license (mostly blank, in advance of the wedding) together - however only one of the people being married needs to be present and only one person signs to get the partially blank marriage license.

At the wedding, the two spots for signatures on the marriage license are clearly labeled as witnesses. Typically the best man and maid of honor are the ones who sign it. (There's no spot for signatures of the people getting married!)

We don't remember which one of us signed at the county office in advance of the wedding to get the certificate, but the other one of us never signed a single thing at any time in the process.

Later, the marriage license was filed by a family member while we were on our honeymoon - so no dual signatures there, either!


I've not heard of it happening, but one person could in theory cause themselves to be married to an unwilling/unknowing person by going to the county themselves, and getting two people to be false witnesses that a ceremony happened.

And yet, here you are, right in the middle.

And so now one or both of you are an affiliate of FTP?

FYI - http://www.usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/michigan/marriage_licenses/wayne_county.shtml

No, no, no, I'm not. Just pointing out an interesting fact. Totally unrelated to the discussion at hand. As a side note, I do think that being on a list as an affiliate does not make you an affiliate. Especially when they didn't define the term affiliate, and the standard legal usage of the term would not include players that refer people and get ongoing bonuses for doing so. The standard legal usage really has to do more with subsidiaries, etc. Still not part of the debate, though.

Thankfully, neither of us were marked as an affiliate, despite us having been married in Wayne County, Michigan. I even called them to confirm, before the emails finally showed up I think in the morning of the day the petitions started being able to be filed.

Ehh, screw it. I'm part of the debate I guess.

I quote a post I made on 09/19, and hope it helps someone.

In my opinion, file the darn petition, and fight it like crazy if denied if you aren't a subsidiary, parent, or sibling corporation to FTP. And, I highly doubt anyone in these spots is still posting on 2+2.

i am slightly nervous that i entered the wrong Account Number and/or Routing Number when i was filling out my petition. anyone have any suggestions what i can do, if anything, to gain clarity on if i entered the right or wrong numbers?

Well, you can reenter your numbers and they'll reject you for already having submitted a petition. Of course, you also had to have entered your last name or screen name along with your control numbers as verification, so you would have had to have gotten really unlucky to have filed a petition with the incorrect numbers.

He's saying he may have entered the wrong bank account numbers for the ACH transfer of his remission payment, not the wrong Petition and Control #s for his petition submission.

Call (or email ) GCG and ask them to verify your bank account numbers on your petition. Should be an easy fix for them if either of the numbers are wrong.