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10-03-2013 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KingKongGrinder
to expand on this, If you send an email disputing your affiliate status, they gather all the information and present your case to someone at the DOJ or AFMLS, I forget which department he mentioned.

My plan is to try and get an answer, obviously. If I don't, then I will probably file the week of the deadline and dispute my affiliate status when I file.

Anyone else in the same boat have any thoughts?
The process you describe is exactly the same as the petition process. Gcg takes all your documentation and sends it to the doj

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10-04-2013 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by VictorChandler
I have Bank of America.

I know I put down the routing number on my checks - which BofA says is for "paper".

BofA uses a different routing number for Electronic.

Does anyone who knows how the banking ACH system works know if the money being sent ACH by GCG as remissions will still make it to a checking account even if the paper routing number was used instead of the electronic?
I am personally familiar with electronic payment processing at B of A, and I can tell you that this is not true on any customer facing transaction. If you supply someone who is processing ACH transactions the numbers on your check, they have everything they need, and everything B of A requires, to send you money.
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10-04-2013 , 05:45 AM
http://pokerfuse.com/news/live-and-o...titions-03-10/

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The Garden City Group (GCG), the organization in charge of the Full Tilt Poker Remission Process, updated their website on Thursday to remind the public that new petitions can be created even without Petition and Control Numbers issued to some victims via email.

Just days after their most recent update that notified the public that the remission process is well underway and all email notifications have been sent, the GCG is also clarifying how those who feel entitled to be a part of the Remission process can apply, even if they have not been contacted.

In the update the GCG notes that no one is prevented from filing a Petition for Remission. Those that have not been provided with a designated Petition and Control number are “able to “Create A New Petition directly from the website.

Once the deadline to submit a Petition for Remission passes on Saturday, November 16, the GCG will review all “confirmed, disputed and new” petitions using criteria provided by the Department of Justice.
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10-04-2013 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by blackize5
The process you describe is exactly the same as the petition process. Gcg takes all your documentation and sends it to the doj

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True, but the difference is that I'm not filing yet. I'm disputing my affiliate status. Could I just dispute my status in a new filing? I'm sure I could, but it doesn't cost me anything to have GCG investigate before I file so I have the possibility of getting P&Cs. It's just my opinion that filing with P&Cs issued by GCG with your known balance makes your filing smoother.
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10-04-2013 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
they said if there wasn't enough money to cover balances, we would be paid pro rata depending on how much was available, which is totally standard procedure for them. our remission payments will be pro rata on the 731 million$ settlement regardless whatever end value the claimants actually file for. luckily, in our case, the general consensus is that player account balances comprise only ~150 million$

so each of our balances as a percentage of total player balances approved for remission will translate into a corresponding percentage of the 731 million minus the initial cost of covering 100% of approved player account balances (which the doj explicitly promised us), which will equate to individual remission payments that will be roughly equal to 4-10x the size of our full tilt "black friday" account balances.
No one is seriously suggesting this, right?
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10-04-2013 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by User15684664165
No one is seriously suggesting this, right?
ScreaminAsian is always serious.
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10-04-2013 , 01:36 PM
Sorry if this has already been covered. When I logged onto my ftp account, it shows a $0 balance. Where do I go to find my actual balance?

Thanks!
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10-04-2013 , 02:17 PM
Request your account history from the request menu
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10-04-2013 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by User15684664165
No one is seriously suggesting this, right?
unlike every other lobbying organization in america, the ppa prefers to negotiate from the middle, ensuring they end up getting bartered out of the process completely. i'm sorry i'm the only one out there advocating for you. i'm sorry i'm the only one that sees fairness as a two-way street. i'm sorry that people are so closed-minded they think i'm ****ing joking right now.
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10-04-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DoTheMath
ScreaminAsian is always serious.
This is partly what threw me off about the 35k comment earlier
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10-04-2013 , 04:45 PM
I haven't received my email yet.

What is the subject of the email so I can try to search for it

Thanks
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10-04-2013 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
unlike every other lobbying organization in america, the ppa prefers to negotiate from the middle, ensuring they end up getting bartered out of the process completely. i'm sorry i'm the only one out there advocating for you. i'm sorry i'm the only one that sees fairness as a two-way street. i'm sorry that people are so closed-minded they think i'm ****ing joking right now.
I for one am glad you are not joking as I have already spent the money I am expecting and could you some more. If only I knew how much more I could make better plans.
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10-04-2013 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LoosenUp
I haven't received my email yet.

What is the subject of the email so I can try to search for it

Thanks
Full Tilt Claims Administration Notice
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10-04-2013 , 07:46 PM
So what are people who requested withdrawals pre black friday and have funds in limbo doing? It says submit documents, but I dont have any relevant doc's other than emails from ftp
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10-04-2013 , 08:40 PM
Just would like to throw it out there that I'm in favor of getting 4-10x my account balance
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10-04-2013 , 08:45 PM
Got a phone call from Patrick today from the GCG. I assume he is the same Patrick that is calling other itt. Seems they only have one project manager on this one, or at least only one that has to call people. I was not around my phone when he called and he asked me to call him back sometime on Monday.

I plan on calling him then and asking questions about my account personally, but if anyone has anything they would like me to ask I'd be glad to try and get an answer for you.
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10-04-2013 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sangaman
Add me as another "affiliate" whose FT balance is in jeopardy.

I didn't get the e-mail when I was supposed to. After a few days of waiting, I submitted a fresh claim for my cash balance plus tournament tickets and provided my account history spreadsheet as proof. After a few more days with nothing, I e-mailed them and asked why I never received a claim number from them in the first place and what the status of my claim is.

Today they responded and copy-pasted the list of people not eligible for payment, and then said "Based on data supplied to us by FTP you have been identified as an affiliate of FTP and will not be eligible to participate in this remission process."

I called up and got nowhere, they said that they'll do some research and call me back "as soon as possible" but couldn't give me a time frame and that I should call them again in two weeks if I don't hear anything.

Some relevant facts about my account:

-I have an upper/mid five figure balance. This is more than I wanted or needed, but Full Tilt's wire transfer feature hadn't been working for a few months leading up to Black Friday and my money was stuck on there.

-I deposited a couple of times (with my checking account I believe), mostly to take advantage of deposit bonuses.

-I believe I opened an affiliate account a long time ago, although I'm not sure I actually ever referred anyone. If I did, it was a handful of microstakes college friends most likely. I also may have done the refer-a-friend bonus although I really don't remember at all, I would guess I did not. I never advertised for Full Tilt or anything like that.

-I originally had rakeback paid to me directly from Full Tilt. Eventually I was switched to rakebackpros, and then raketherake. From reading this thread, this seems like the most likely reason my account was flagged as an affiliate.

-I was a very active player. I had the black card and the maximum Iron Man streak. Whatever money I may have made from referring players would have been a tiny fraction of my current account balance. The net total of all my rakeback payments over the years, on the other hand, would probably be a pretty substantial amount.

And perhaps most importantly, I was never an employee, vendor, team FT player, shareholder, or board member of Full Tilt.

I would be happy to discuss this dilemma with any other players in a similar situation or any people with knowledge on the matter who may be able to help. Thank you very much.
Unfortunately your fuzzy recall makes it look like you might be legitimately classified as an affiliate. Do what you can to fight it but signing up as an affiliate and then signing people up through your affiliate might be a tough hurdle to overcome. I doubt the amount of traffic you generated will be relevant to this determination unless it was none, then there could be a shot.

People got to understand affiliates were commissioned salespeople working as independent contractors. The money affiliates got paid came out of the money stolen from the players. I think the decision to not pay affiliates is 100% correct (I don't believe rakeback and refer a friend are affiliate programs). In your case I hope you did not sign up as an affiliate a long time ago and sign up a few microstakes players. I would advise not telling them you might have done those things either.

I think your best course of action is to believe you never signed up as an affiliate. Trying to argue you were only a little tiny affiliate might not be fruitful.

I think one advantage you have is with the seeming entangled rakeback players that there may be room to wiggle out.
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10-05-2013 , 03:12 AM
As of Black Friday, I HAD a balance on Full Tilt, however I never got an email and have no way to show supporting documents that I had a roll as I moved out of the country 3 months later to Ecuador. What are the plans here? I've read through the thread and didn't see this. Thank you
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10-05-2013 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kerwinty
As of Black Friday, I HAD a balance on Full Tilt, however I never got an email and have no way to show supporting documents that I had a roll as I moved out of the country 3 months later to Ecuador. What are the plans here? I've read through the thread and didn't see this. Thank you
What does moving to Ecuador have to do with it? Your method of proving your FTP balance is the same as anyone else that didn't get claims email:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...17&postcount=5
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10-05-2013 , 03:51 AM
I've done all that, have the account history that clearly shows a balance as of April 15th and after but have no way to get access to the banking records of specific debit card transactions etc? And what does showing that I deposit x amount on March 3rd have to do with proving their is a balance. I tried to file a new claim and it won't let me proceed since I don't have the specific transaction details. I uploaded the FT account history that shows a balance but can't get through the next step.
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10-05-2013 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by The Apex
Submitted my claim today with a $2,000 dispute. I requested a withdrawal on 4/10/11 by check which I never received. I attached 17 supporting documents along with my claim but only 10 were visible. Some of the first ones I attached were visible and then disappeared once I attached more. I attached an explantation, withdrawal confirmation email from FTP, player details file showing withdrawal and 14 pages of bank statements from March-July of 2011.

I called GCG afterwards to confirm they had received all 17 attachments with my claim. I was placed on hold briefly then told they would have to escalate this case to a specialist. I was given the option of receiving a phone call or email. I gave them my phone # and have not heard back.

I also sent a separate email to the GCG email explaining the situation and included all the attachments as well.
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
Got a phone call from Patrick today from the GCG. I assume he is the same Patrick that is calling other itt. Seems they only have one project manager on this one, or at least only one that has to call people. I was not around my phone when he called and he asked me to call him back sometime on Monday.

I plan on calling him then and asking questions about my account personally, but if anyone has anything they would like me to ask I'd be glad to try and get an answer for you.
Curious if we're able to attach more than 10 supporting documents. My explanation file was no longer visible after I attached 17 documents. This is the one that outlines the amount I'm owed, the discrepancy and the reason. Any help would be greatly appreciated . Tyvm
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10-05-2013 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by The Apex
Curious if we're able to attach more than 10 supporting documents. My explanation file was no longer visible after I attached 17 documents. This is the one that outlines the amount I'm owed, the discrepancy and the reason. Any help would be greatly appreciated . Tyvm
Can't you just create a zip file that contains all the files?
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10-05-2013 , 11:35 AM
Bit of a result for me in my efforts to get my money back. Never got an email. Filed a petition and didn't hear anything for ~2 weeks. Emailed and explained that I met all criteria and never got an email. Also included previous email and said that I didn't know if they sent an email, but it went to that address (I only changed my address on ftp when the remission process was announced and GCG was named). 2 days later got a response with my petition/control (not the one I filed manually, the original one that apparently only was directed to my old .edu). So I just finished filing and the balance they reported was actually higher than I may have expected. I had a cashout right at the time of black friday that I never got obviously. Figured they would have my balance with that amount removed, but I got that too.

Looking good now. Was a good amount of money, but not gonna change my life in any way. Still would have been supremely tilted not to get it.
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10-05-2013 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The Apex
Curious if we're able to attach more than 10 supporting documents. My explanation file was no longer visible after I attached 17 documents. This is the one that outlines the amount I'm owed, the discrepancy and the reason. Any help would be greatly appreciated . Tyvm
Will def ask about this Monday.
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10-05-2013 , 05:02 PM
Have those of you that did not get paid but requested a cashout check their transactions through FTP? I noticed on mine that there was no history of a cashout I requested which I didn't receive.
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