Is anyone attempting to dispute FTP points for cash?

I thought I read a post where some people were claiming that others had tickets converted to cash just after black friday, therefor their points should hold some value. I can't seem to find it though..

They didn't convert the points (maybe because Howard forgot to steal them). They are still there waiting for you, should FTP re-enter the US market, or if you move overseas. So it would be kinda tough to claim them via remissions.

I am considering filing for compensation for points at the monent. IMO, it isn't good enough on FTP's end that they are "holding" them for us until we might be able to use them in the far future, especially if other players received cash for their tourney tickets. Of course my opinion doesn't matter much, GCG's does.

I have around 750,000 unclaimed FTP points which equates to around $3,500 according to some of the value/points conversions I have seen. This would be significant enough for me to dispute IMO

If your point balance is significant you can just redeem them overseas.

How to do this? Do you have to move somewhere and provide statements with proof of residence? I'm going on a cruise in a few months and I'll be out of the country. I wonder if I could redeem the points then? And if so, could I have it send to my USA address? Has anyone done something similiar?

can someone here post the current FTP point conversion rates? Such as how many FTP points to buy tournament tokens. FTP points to convert to cash, etc. Just need some evidence to claim FTP points as I have about 850k of them.

Tagged as an affiliate as well. Very frustrating. My spreadsheet shows no referral or affiliate bonuses; only FTP promotions and rakeback player transfers from JaniceW (I think I used RakebackResources, but I forget).

Wasn't everyone using rakeback? Scanning through the thread, it looks like a bunch of people with the same profile as mine got their control numbers. I guess GCG or FTP has just arbitrarily or ineptly flagged a bunch of people who do not meet the (ambiguous) criteria for exclusion from the settlement class.

"Wait and see" just doesn't seem like a great strategy. Surely there's some way we can pressure GCG to audit the data or otherwise explain their criteria. Has anyone contested their labeling as an affiliate and gotten a solid response? Even something like, "we're looking into it?"

Same, I have 950,000 FTP points and another 950,000 points worth of medals. So it's looking more and more like I am going to dispute but I am not 100% positive yet...


There is a link in one of my quoted posts a few posts up that provides pics of tourney ticket prices which can help be used for conversions.

anyone get 2 emails? anyone file twice? what if the second time the balance showed higher?

I'm contesting my status and it has been escalated, whatever that means.

Email sent, no reply yet, will post details as I learn more. I will make the phone call if I dont get a reply within a week.

So what do those of us flagged as affiliates do? Mine was a single refer a friend, not some rakebackpros pyramid scheme. I grinded so many hours and generated so much rake.

Are we anticipating them clearing up the whole affiliate thing? Or do I just file and then wait 2 months just to tell me I can't get it?

What's a rakebackpros pyramid scheme?

They verified my relocation with a landline telephone call. I don't think you would be able to do this with a cruise, but there's short term leases and other arrangements you can make for relatively cheap provided your point balance is actually substantial.

May I ask how? Is there a specific person you managed to get on the phone at GCG?

I got the dreaded FTP affiliate email too.

I also originally didn't sign up with rakeback, but got rakeback "added" through FTP themselves during that 1-2ish month period when they allowed it.

Same.

I sent an email with my FTP transaction history to info@FullTiltPokerClaims.com.

After talking with a couple of other people, it seems like anyone that got their rakeback directly paid through FTP was considered "an affiliate." Even if they never signed anyone up, or had any business relationship with FTP.

I don't feel this is a fair ruling, and that we should somehow appeal the decision to not repay our balances, as it's clearly a use of the same term (affiliate) in two completely different meanings.

Anyone know what the best way to appeal it is? I was thinking it might be smart to group together and hire an attorney to represent us.

I mean, lots of guys have $2-$3k and it's obviously not worth it to hire an attorney to help out an account that small, but if a bunch of us got together, we could pool the cost and hire an attorney/law firm to present our case to the GCG, and if that proves unsuccessful, maybe we could sue Ray Bitar/others since he did make that plea deal to avoid jail time.

If anyone else is in the same situation I am, feel free to add me on skype (RikaKazak) I feel like getting together even if we don't hire an attorney, will still be our best course of action because between all of us, there's got to be someone's dad's that is a lawyer, or cousin, plus even if that avenue doesn't work, maybe we can come up with something else that I haven't thought of yet.

Everything I've seen from the lawyers in this thread has said that there is no legal recourse here. They gave also said that the gcg has no authority to make decisions of any kind.

Surely there's some auditing or appeals process. It's absurd to think this determination will come from some flunky at FTP emailing over a spreadsheet or database they slapped together. If GCG can come clean about their definition of "affiliate," as many have asked them to, it would lend a lot of clarity about what we should do.

From the other thread:

This gives me some hope, but as the clock runs down, "wait and see" doesn't feel like a great option. Maybe we can turn the heat up a bit, or get our messaging straight? I'm hoping the folks involved in the process/who know what they're talking about will keep us informed.

Has anyone successfully been able to remove a document after they uploading it?
I'm almost certain the answer is No on that one.

So the next question, has anyone contacted CGC about that and where they able to remove the uploaded docs?

A very interesting observation. Is there anyone here who was tagged as an affiliate that this doesn't apply to? If so, were you an FTP pro or an active marketing affiliate?

As I said in the GCG thread:
Don't talk about this as an appeal (yet). An appeal is what you do when you have submitted a petition and the ruling official at the AGMLS doesn't give you everything you asked for.

AORN, the only decision about you that has been made is that GCG is not going to proactively email you a couple of identification numbers and let you fill in a default claim. You can still file a petition and claim what you think you should get.

So don't look at this as an appeal. What it is about is an exercise in crafting an irrefutable case for remission, given that you are starting out at a disadvantage.

With regard to being flagged as an afiliate and therefore not being on GCG's list of eligible victims, you have two ways to play it. You can submit a claim that doesn't mention the issue, and hope that somehow the decison-making process isn't going to refer to GCG's list of ineligible victims, and if the decision goes against you, then you appeal and only then deal directly with the "affiliate" issue. Alternatively, you can address it in your initial claim. I'd suggest the latter course, but IANAL. IMO you should submit a copy of your account history spreadsheet obtained from FTP, and explain that all those payments you received from FTP were not payments for employment or provision of services but rather they were by way of a volume discount for a high-volume customer. Explain that this clearly puts you outside of the group of ineligible victims: you didn't work for FTP, you didn't participate in the offence, you didn't know about the offence and you were not willfully blind to the offence.

Over on the other thread you were saying you had enough money tied up for it to be worth you paying for a lawyer, and that you didn't want a PPA lawyer because you wanted a lawyer who was working for you. Now you want to cut your costs and get a whole bunch of players together to hire a lawyer that won't be working just for you. Which isit? The advanatgess of a PPA lawyer are that she will be well-briefed on the issue, and pre-vetted for qualifications, experience and ability. For anybody with a lot of money tied up here, this is not the time to go cheap. Hire a lawyer that works for you only. You want somebody local to you, so you can meet easily, and so you have more access to references.

That's not quite what they've said. The DoJ's decisons regarding remission cannot be made subject to a lawsuit. No court is going to impose a different decision in substitution for a DoJ decision regarding a specific case or the remissions in general. (I am not so sure that one couldn't bring a case claiming that the DoJ didn't follow the rules. If so, the successful result would be to have the DoJ go back and revisit its decision while complying with the rules. This doesn't necessarily mean that a different decision would result.) You can still make use of a lwyer to develop yor claim, and every negative decision about a claim is subject to a single appeal back to the DoJ.

By "wait and see", I think what is meant is don't file a petition without the benefit of information that is currently being actively sought and could be benefical to crafting your claim. I don't think it was meant that you should sit and do nothing.