Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please.

09-16-2013 , 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MBomb
There is only a taxable event when income is realized. For example, if you work in 2011 but don't get paid until 2013 you don't pay tax until 2013. This debacle has proven that any monies in our ftpaccounts were never "realized." I think we're perfectly fine putting it on our 2013 taxes. This is not legal advice and should not be taken as such.
I hope this is the case. Say someone made 5 million that year from FTP. He's supposed to pay over 1 million in taxes on money he doesn't have in his hand? I doubt anyone actually did this.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MBomb
There is only a taxable event when income is realized.
Yes, and when you push allin for $100, win, have $200 in your stack, and log off, that money was instantly realized and should have taxes filed on it the following year. When I filed my poker taxes, I had all my sessions listed by profit/loss by days (some even do literally every session/table). The money was earned and there. You should have paid taxes on it.

But, yes, if you DIDN'T, seek a professional to try to clean it up later better than never.

The fact the money was stolen or not returned does not mean you did not earn it and should not have paid taxes on it. It is that very basis that we are all fighting to get the money back in the first place - it was earned and it's ours.

Again, if I'm missing some loophole or rule that someone who actually practices tax accounting knows about, I'm willing to look or read what they have to say to educate myself, but from what I know, I thought it was straight forward.

Last edited by Phatty; 09-16-2013 at 03:49 PM.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:45 PM
i do agree phatty, that's how it traditionally works. what about my example though?

what if i agreed to work for someone in 2011 for $10 an hour and worked 1000 hours, expecting $10,000 but for some reason was not paid until 2013, in what year would i report my income?
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatty
I don't think it's a gray area: all money earned at poker sitting in your Full Tilt Poker account should have had the taxes paid on it when you filed the following year. If you're an American and did not play on Full Tilt in 2013, then there's nothing to file in 2014 or 2015. The money sitting in your account in 2011 should have been paid in 2012 for what you played in 2011. The money you earned in 2010 should have been filed in 2011, and so on. There is nothing special about getting the money now for tax purposes. The taxes were already paid (or SHOULD have already been paid). Show me where someone reputable like Russ Fox says otherwise and I'll entertain it. Until then, paying your taxes on income should be pretty straightforward.
Has Russ Fox said that you legally HAVE to pay taxes on money 2011 that year even though you couldn't access it and many or most thought we might never get?
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:49 PM
So apparently one has to have deposited on FTP to receive their funds. That should be interesting.

Hopefully those who freerolled will get their money back too.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:51 PM
From my experience with working in the tax industry, most people use the "cash basis" and the IRS usually expects people to. But it is a gray area. I think it would be easier for professional poker players who file their poker income on a schedule C (as a self employment) because there you can specificy if you are on cash or accrual and if they pick cash they have a legitimate reason to not have to report the FTP income until they have reasonable access to it. For those that will end up reporting their income from FTP as just gambling income (schedule A) they might have some (probably none imo) resistance from the IRS, since the IRS doesn't really care about small fishes and so unless you had millions you should be okay. I would thought strongly suggest to report some if not all of the income you get from FTP on your taxes.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Go Get It
So apparently one has to have deposited on FTP to receive their funds. That should be interesting.

Hopefully those who freerolled will get their money back too.

Someone who gave a poker stars player thousands in exchange for thousands on ftpwasnt free rolling.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:53 PM
Has anyone gotten an email about the remissions process today?
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:56 PM
I think you guys are confusing a database of people who owe the Government money with all the tax talk. This is
Quote:
debts currently listed in the Treasury Offset Program Database.
That database is an actual thing, with its own FAQ. What taxes you did or didn't owe are between you, the IRS, and your accountant. Quoting from their web site

Quote:
In most cases, your name can be sent to TOP if your debt is more than 90 days delinquent. The government agency must determine that your debt is valid and legally enforceable. The agency must send you notices about your debt and provide you with opportunities to resolve or dispute your debt.
Thus, this isn't about your poker income at this point.

All a layman's opinion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackpot7
Has anyone gotten an email about the remissions process today?
Some have and some of us haven't. In the have not camp, so far.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 03:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardfish1
Has Russ Fox said that you legally HAVE to pay taxes on money 2011 that year even though you couldn't access it and many or most thought we might never get?
I don't know if he has said either way but he did my taxes and I'm pretty sure I had at least one session from Full Tilt in 2011 on there and don't remember him taking it off.

Quote:
Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2
i do agree phatty, that's how it traditionally works. what about my example though?

what if i agreed to work for someone in 2011 for $10 an hour and worked 1000 hours, expecting $10,000 but for some reason was not paid until 2013, in what year would i report my income?
I answered your question already for the actual example at hand. If you did a different example where you mowed lawns in 2011 and didn't get paid in 2013, then maybe that would be acceptable. But, that's not what happened here. The money was earned and then stolen or not returned. We are all fighting to get it back but you still should have paid taxes on it imo ... or at least until I hear an explanation from someone qualified on the topic.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MBomb
Someone who gave a poker stars player thousands in exchange for thousands on ftpwasnt free rolling.
Yeah, if you made a deal like this or for people who bought FTP money from someone who never deposited and never thought that this could be an issue could be in real trouble...
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:06 PM
Please everyone stop with the horrible tax advice! This has already been discussed to death.

http://www.taxabletalk.com/2011/12/2...ll-tilt-poker/
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:09 PM
Any ideas if something is wrong if i get a control and petition number but no name or total amount? Email appeared under my spam folder as well as others have said
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:11 PM
Dang I did not get anything in my spam folder yet.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:12 PM
Just got the email. I thought my FTP account was busto. Guess I'll log in to find I have a few cents or something.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipRick
Any ideas if something is wrong if i get a control and petition number but no name or total amount? Email appeared under my spam folder as well as others have said
this is normal. you'll plug in those numericals in a few days (or in a month, or any time in the first half of november, whenever you personally feel up to it) on the fulltiltpokerclaims website and confirm or contest the information they'll present to you at that time.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:24 PM
Ok so does anyone with actual knowledge of this whole "deposit" ordeal want to chime in?

What are the chances that people who never deposited (i.e. played with money transferred to them or grinded up from freerolls) don't get their money?

This can't be a real thing right?
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:24 PM
Just found mine in my spam folder.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokerho
Just found mine in my spam folder.
Me too.

Check your spam folders people.

Thanks, Pokerho!

Also, I never signed up with GCG, but got the email to the address associated with my FTP account.

Last edited by zzxy9; 09-16-2013 at 04:34 PM. Reason: add content
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:32 PM
If i signed up for email updates under the wrong email, should i still expect an email from them?
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theczar19
Ok so does anyone with actual knowledge of this whole "deposit" ordeal want to chime in?

What are the chances that people who never deposited (i.e. played with money transferred to them or grinded up from freerolls) don't get their money?

This can't be a real thing right?
I'm curious about this as well.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:39 PM
FYI check your spam folders folks that's where I found mine
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:46 PM
Of course we can't start the remission process what was I thinking. I'm hoping that I get the 2.5k I panically tried to withdrawal on black friday. I checked my ftp balance and it shows it as my balance minus the withdrawal a week ago. Hopefully all of us who panicked and stupidly tried to withdrawal on bf get that added to our balance.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLSoldier
I'm curious about this as well.
Stilled haven't received the email notice. Ughhhhhhhhhhh

Its a gmail account, could this be a problem?
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote
09-16-2013 , 04:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FullTiltMode
FYI check your spam folders folks that's where I found mine
I just checked my spam folder and it's a good thing I did. No email from GCG, but someone from Nigeria desperately needs my help. There could be some money in it for me as well.
FTP Remission Issues Thread ONLY. No polititard or history derails please. Quote

      
m