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04-15-2014 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by the_duece
Just someone who would never leave so much money on a poker site, in a single bank, or any one place for that matter, that it would "DESTROY MY LIFE" if I lost it.
Ever think the destroy my life would come from the after effects of the DOJ's actions? I was shocked as we all were, but my main concern was what was this going to do with my dreams that I had been working so hard to make real. I only had about 9k on there, which is enough money to feel sick from the idea of it being taken. But as I learned from other professional players, I viewed that money only as something I needed to play poker online in order to make money for living. So anyone who is playing this game for the love of the game, and to do something they love as a career (which few can ever say that), the DESTROY MY LIFE is not such a misused metaphor imo... Especially when you had just past the point of uncertainty in your ability as a player, and become to know that you can beat this game at stakes that make your life dreams come true, then you wake up on a saturday morning as I had for the past 12 months excited for the games later that night. Only when I logged onto Skype to see my friend ask me if I could log into FTP as he played on Stars. Then to see the DoJ stamp and then the feelings and questions about what is happening. So the amount of money that some left on FTP was money that was needed to run the business(bankroll), and it was a rather large number to some more than others, but the reason they left the money online was for the same reasons that a micro stakes player left his $800 online. In closing, it was not about the money to those who love the game!
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04-15-2014 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by The Rat Pack
Hey Guys,

So I am going to work through my affiliate remission claim which is due 4.18.

Once I login, confirm my info, I hit continue and hit a page that has a blank box and simply says

Full Tilt Account Balance. Now Patrick warned me I was in the red, but in this box do I put what my account was at on black friday or should I run the excel sheet, remove all of affiliate payments and put in my adjusted #?
The second one. Put in the amount you wish to claim for remission.
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04-15-2014 , 10:11 AM
Happy Black Friday anniversary
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04-15-2014 , 11:06 AM
Any info on disputed claims? There was an article on pocketfives where Pappas was quoted that there would be "clarity" by the end of March. Has the review even begun?

nightmare.......
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04-15-2014 , 02:31 PM
just called in, basically no updates other than wait and call back sometime for updates

i was in "incorrect banking info" then wave 1.5, then missed the next one, and so on and so forth

3 years officially, glad it's only a few hundred bucks.

happy black friday everyone!
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04-15-2014 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by zachvac
ok I don't really want to derail this but please don't compare this with something like cancer. If you actually devoted your life to this craft and were making decent money you undoubtedly had plenty of money in a non-poker roll or even just a live poker roll.

But say you didn't and you had an irresponsible amount of your net worth on a poker site. Fine not judging anyone people make mistakes. But a few weeks after black friday, FTP was allowing people to relocate and cash out (no one knew that the cash out wouldn't be honored because funds wouldn't be there). So if you had that kind of money on an internet poker site and the alternative was wait for the government to operate at their speed (and at the time I don't think we even knew the government would help us I remember thinking that it was possible the only way to get our money would be to move overseas), why wouldn't those who were actually poker pros relocating almost immediately?

And of course the answer is that most did. There are some who had extenuating circumstances, and for those I sympathize. But I don't think black friday in and of itself hurt that many people who weren't already on their way out and struggling to beat the games pre-black friday. To even compare that to cancer is just a huge insult to anyone who's dealt with it, even if you have yourself.
Are you certain US players thought they could cash out if they relocated? I thought players knew from the beginning that they could not access their funds.
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04-15-2014 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zachvac
ok I don't really want to derail this but please don't compare this with something like cancer. If you actually devoted your life to this craft and were making decent money you undoubtedly had plenty of money in a non-poker roll or even just a live poker roll.

But say you didn't and you had an irresponsible amount of your net worth on a poker site. Fine not judging anyone people make mistakes. But a few weeks after black friday, FTP was allowing people to relocate and cash out (no one knew that the cash out wouldn't be honored because funds wouldn't be there). So if you had that kind of money on an internet poker site and the alternative was wait for the government to operate at their speed (and at the time I don't think we even knew the government would help us I remember thinking that it was possible the only way to get our money would be to move overseas), why wouldn't those who were actually poker pros relocating almost immediately?

And of course the answer is that most did. There are some who had extenuating circumstances, and for those I sympathize. But I don't think black friday in and of itself hurt that many people who weren't already on their way out and struggling to beat the games pre-black friday. To even compare that to cancer is just a huge insult to anyone who's dealt with it, even if you have yourself.
+1

Zachvac still dropping truth bombs 2 years later. Hi Zach!
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04-15-2014 , 02:50 PM
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04-15-2014 , 06:57 PM
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04-16-2014 , 03:00 AM
Don't know how people are arguing about Black Friday destroying lives. It very obviously did. With a small investment, you could have gone from earning anywhere between like $30 and $300 an hour at midstakes to having no income source in a blink of an eye. Good luck finding jobs like that unless you have some other very, very useful skills.

It's not about losing the investment. It's about losing your livelihood. For most people that couldn't move out of country, it devastated their lives. But it is a little late to be bringing this up 3 years later, and it's definitely not the right thread. **** the government regardless.



Anyways, I emailed GCG like a month ago to check up. I never received an initial email from them when the remission process began, so I filled out a blank petition with all the needed stuff. During this recent email they said they had a different petition with all my info that they should have emailed me like 7 months ago but never did. They told me to login with these new credentials and accept or dispute the exact same balance that I already provided them with in September and that they'd delete my old petition. So pretty lol stuff. I'll still be shocked if I see any money after this huge cluster**** of inefficiency.
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04-16-2014 , 11:48 AM
My sincere apologies to TheGift&TheCurse for my previous posts and to anybody else who I managed to offend. I should have been more thoughtful in my reply.

People lose their jobs everyday. Companies go out of business. People go bankrupt. I have a few friends out of work and neither of them has claimed their lives have been 'destroyed'. Just becuase you play poker for a living does not make things any worse you. In fact, I believe just the opposite is true.

Pick yourself up and start somewhere new. (I imagine you already played on more than one site.) You are, after all, your own boss and therefore responsible for yourself. Outside forces can work against you, but you plan for that and have contengencies in place.

It's been three years. I hope you feel better soon.
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04-16-2014 , 01:10 PM
I can't believe this thread is turning into stupid arguments for the 100th time. Can we please get paid so this thing can be locked forever.
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04-16-2014 , 02:04 PM
New update posted on GCG website. Accounts with accidental duplicate submissions will not be paid out until the end of July. This is absurd to me.
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04-16-2014 , 02:46 PM
This is completely unacceptable. Duplicate claims will not be paid until the end of July. This is beyond pathetic.
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04-16-2014 , 03:07 PM
Wow...real disheartening update for all of us...esp disputed accounts.

Not even a timeline in sight for disputed accounts and it looks like we're going to be one of the last to get payed. Getting paid by summer seems impossible now. Disputing for my missing bank withdrawal is just not worth it at all.

I just called Patrick. No answer but left a message. Hopefully he calls back soon and can paint a clearer picture.
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04-16-2014 , 03:27 PM
What a ****ing joke, what are these people doing with their time? So they likely wont even start looking at disputed balances until late summer so we'd be lucky to get anything before 2015? So disappointing but i would expect nothing less from these incompetent agencies working on behalf of the govt.
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04-16-2014 , 04:02 PM
GCG had my balance at 73k when it should have been 79k so I disputed. At the time it was a no brainer for me. I'm actually starting to regret this a bit now. I'm sure there are others in the same boat. After taxes that 6k is only about 4k. Then factoring in the chances of maybe not even winning the dispute anyways I'd almost certainly just take the 73k at this point instead of waiting for what looks like will be another 6 months at the very minimum. After that last update I would say disputed accounts will be paid out around Q1 or Q2 of 2015.

Cliffs: Having a sad moment.
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04-16-2014 , 04:08 PM
Yeah this is a ****ing joke. Like the update seemed reasonable until it says end of July for duplicate claims and still no timeline on disputed accounts? Wtf are they doing with their time?
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04-16-2014 , 04:16 PM
July for duplicate accounts fml..
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04-16-2014 , 04:20 PM
Anyone know if you initially disputed if you can "undispute" and then try to reclaim what you are disputing later?
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04-16-2014 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
Anyone know if you initially disputed if you can "undispute" and then try to reclaim what you are disputing later?
+1
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04-16-2014 , 04:54 PM
So annoyed that they're taking another 3.5 months to payback less than 5% of petitions when there's a good 20-25% of us who rightfully disputed still waiting for payment.

Seriously, I disputed a black friday cashout, something a lot of us likely did. It shouldn't be that hard to identify those accounts.

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Originally Posted by Th3 Omaholic
Numbers:

- $150m: the total approx amount owed to US players
- $81m: the total approx amount paid out thus far
- 41,000: the reported number of submissions one day before the (Nov.) deadline
- 29,700: approx number of petitions that have been paid out
- 11,300 (or 27.5%): approx number waiting for payment
- $69 (or ~46% of the fund): approx amount still left to be paid out

Who's left:

- Players with accidental multiple claims
- Players with disputed balances
- Affiliates

What now:

Based on people's reports with Patrick, it looks like the next payment is mid May, going to the remaining undisputed group. Based on the last payout (2,200 people), that's a pretty small subset. It took them a little over a month to payback 2,200 people, and they're setting aside another month or so to payback a similar sized (or likely smaller) group.

How about the rest of us?

Affiliates, and I'm guessing most people who disputed are black friday cashouts.
That's 10k+ people who haven't been paid back over ~$60m+, with still no word that they have even look at disputed accounts. Let alone sent off to review to the DoJ.
Seriously, why can't they use this downtime to look at the remaining accounts.
dang, if any of us in that last group have any banking issues you're lucky to get your money by xmas!

/rant
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04-16-2014 , 05:14 PM
That is an absolute sick beat for the players still waiting to be paid. Completely unacceptable. I wish everyone the best of luck in getting paid as it is a great feeling to not have to ever check this thread anymore
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04-16-2014 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
Anyone know if you initially disputed if you can "undispute" and then try to reclaim what you are disputing later?
Ask a PPA rep and they will give you the usual lame " you only get one bite at the apple " response.
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04-16-2014 , 06:27 PM
what i don't understand is i was an undisputed non-affiliate account who filed a petition ONCE and was put in wave 2, why do i get thrown in the "multiple petition" batch
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