BTW I'm so desperate I've consulted my good friend who is astrologist on this FTP matter. She said communication will be messed up because of Mercury Retrograde. Things should finally straighten out on Sept 9th and today is last day of retrograde period. Look for some answers to come around that time period. Doesn't mean it will be positive but communications should clear.

This is not my friend but here is blurb:
In general, Mercury rules thinking and perception, processing and disseminating information and all means of communication, commerce, education and transportation. By extension, Mercury rules people who work in these areas, especially those who work with their minds or their wits: writers and orators, consultants, commentators and critics, gossips and spin doctors, salespeople, teachers, travellers, tricksters and thieves. Mercury also has an occult side, so healing, astrology and the transmission of spiritual knowledge are also in his area.

Mercury retrograde gives rise to personal misunderstandings; flawed, disrupted, or delayed communications, negotiations and trade; glitches and breakdowns with phones, computers, cars, buses, and trains. And all of these problems usually arise because some crucial piece of information, or component, has gone astray or awry.
http://www.astrologycom.com/mercret.html

I predict a volcano next

Do we have any information as to why Juanda hired his own counsel and is not using Ifrah like the rest of bunch?

There could be conflict of interest.

I laughed

http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40893

old?

@Kratos that story has been mentioned before. No harm in sharing again though.

The UIGEA became law in Dec, 2009. Is it likely the FTP guys will be able to keep all assets made prior to that date and everything made after will be made subject to fine/seizure/forfeiture?

The whole thing really gets complicated. What about money made by FTP pros in poker tournaments where they were bought in with company money after the UIGEA became law???

If you're a manager in a company that's found to be operating illegally and you get a $100k bonus is that money subject to forfeiture?

You can see where I'm going with this.

What was legally made money, deposited from overseas players, illegally made money, deposited from US based players?

Full Tilt attorneys need to man up and challenge the validity of the UIGEA as it applies to internet poker sites. How can our government pass a law that makes it illegal to fund a legal activity?

The internet is new, dynamic and still relatively fledgling. There's a good chance FTP lawyers can set a legal precedent in this case that will have lasting legal implications for generations to come. Or maybe it's just the beer talking?

UIGEA stands for Unlawful Internet Gaming Enforcement Act. What freaking law specifically names online poker illegal???

OK I'm getting off my soap box. I'm not bringing up new arguments I just think this whole thing is really lame. And ya that includes the greedy, careless owners of FT that didn't keep enough money in their accounts to protect all their players.

Looks like most of the security department is still reporting. Any wonder those people cant get jobs elsewhere yet?

UIGEA is only one of the gambling related charges they face. The are also charged with violations under IGBA.
Both UIGEA and IGBA are federal laws which use state gambling laws as the basis of the underline violation.

They can of course fight these charges but its an uphill fight one in which the sites will likely not win

Oh my god.

Bec Ifrah is running his mouth?

UIGEA became law in 2006.

It was passed in 2006 but didn't become law until Dec 2009.

Orrr maybe I'm wrong? Wouldn't be the first time.

This isn't his house.

His is much nicer.

FT needs to get the money back that was seized by the DOJ

You are absolutely right.
I originally looked at the link I posted, and then when someone asked how many applications they were getting, I re-goggled it to count the number of applications and looked at this page http://www.gamblingcontrol.org/notice.php. I counted quickly the applications and there were only 4. I wasn't careful the pages looked similar and I didn't notice that I wasn't on the right page. My bad.


I might have different views to yours but I am not in a habit of making stories. Also I was not "pretending to know things" i was barely trying to answer someone's question. Could you please show me 1 post where I made up a story?!

I think you are confusing when the Bill became law (2006) with the final deadline for banking compliance, December 2009. If memory serves me, I think that(mandatory compliance) was even delayed until June 1, 2010, but the law was already in effect for years.

As for your comments about the FTP/PS lawyers stepping up to challenge the UIGEA now, that ship has already sailed imo. The UIGEA counts are the least of their problems in the current charges they face. The bank fraud, wire fraud and money laundering charges aren't nearly so easy for them to defend, even if only half of what the DOJ claims to have as evidence is true.

It's a shame really, because had any of those major sites decided to take a stand and bring the UIGEA fight to the courts here, they would have had the full support of US players. There are a lot of concessions that their US player base would have been willing to make over the last couple of years to help them do that.

Sadly, they determined that they had too much to hide that would have come out on the record, and it only got worse with passing time.

I wonder how much, especially in the case of FTP, they regret that decision now.

Do FTP actually hold the patent for Rush Poker? I remember a link that implied it was owned by a private company.

Whats this referencing?

It commemorates the earthquake that happened on that date that caused the massive amount of damage you see in the photo (a knocked over lawn chair). It was about a 5.8, 5.9 on the Richter and was felt from N. Carolina to Massachusetts along the Eastern coast of the US, but caused minimal damage.

It's a great gif, IMO, but let's not derail this thread anymore, mkay?

Not that there's a whole lot of actual FTP news.

Link to patent.

Robert Burnside and Jerry Biesel of Texas are listed as inventors and the assignee is "Hold 'Em One, Inc". I don't know what the "assignee" is, but I think it is the owner of the patent? Anyone able to confirm?

Edit: A quick google search gave me the following:

"The assignee is the entity that has the property right to the patent. Patents are property. The inventor and the assignee may be one in the same but an employee will more than likely assign a patent to a company."

I can't think of having seen the "Hold 'Em One" company mentioned before. Anyone know anything about it?

must be this : http://www.holdemonepoker.com/