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07-30-2012 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chipdeposit
Now Eolis says in a few days or next week maybe..
LOL, where did she say this?
07-30-2012 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bizzle03
This is such a terrible misinterpretation of the article.

First, it's Judge Sand, not Kaplan. Kaplan is presiding over criminal cases, except bitar's.
Great. I'm glad it's not Judge Kaplan. I hope Judge Sand isn't easily antagonized.

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Second, Eolis is not blaming the judge for anything and two days is not a ridiculous amount of time for a judge to review a large and likely complex settlement. And others have said basically what Wendeen said, that a judge is unlikely to deny it in a case like this.
Please don't misquote me. What I said was, "Wendeen opts to position the judge as a potential bad guy in all this." Potential bad guy.

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I'm not sure how you flip her making that statement to comfort people, that a judge is unlikely to object to the deal, into her blaming the judge.
In my experience, people don't like to be told how unreasonable it would be for them to act in any way other than the way someone wants them to. Talking about "esteemed lawyers," behavior that would be "unfathomable," and "torpedoing" a deal is incendiary language. It's manipulative, and looks like an attempt to box someone into a corner. People with authority (like judges) especially don't like that kind of nonsense.

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The fact of the matter is that if it is signed and submitted to a judge and he rejects it, you can blame the judge, though that's not what was being suggested.
And if there is a gag order, explicit or implied, can you blame the person who violates the gag order? It's clear that Wendeen's source isn't supposed to be talking, and knows that they aren't supposed to be talking. If you have any doubt about that, read it again:

"The breaking story emanated from a highly knowledgeable source, who allowed the word to get out, on the condition it could not be traced back."

That sounds like someone who knows that the people involved are going to be pissed about the leak. "Whatever you do, don't let it be traced back to me. I could lose my job/get sued/whatever."

The deal hasn't closed. It got close once before, and something happened in the 11th hour. Anyone who wants the deal to close this time should be going out of their way NOT to antagonize anyone who has the power to prevent it from closing. And I assure you, in any confidential negotiations, leaks are antagonistic. Why give anyone an excuse to back out?

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As to why they arent speaking, they've been under a no public disclosure of settlement talks order the whole time. They can't speak until it is ok'd.
And yet, someone is speaking. Someone who shouldn't be. Do you really think there's anything to be gained by this? Do you think Isai or Arlo are happy about the leak? People who want to control information do not like having that control taken away from them.

Consider the DOJ's point of view: Either there is someone in their office who is leaking, and that makes them look incompetent. Or the people on the other side of the deal don't respect them enough to keep their mouth shut. That makes them look like chumps.

I get that you think that you deserve to know what's going on. But this is not Howard et al trying to keep you from finding out that they screwed you. This is a negotiation between people who are ultimately trying to help you get your money back, dancing an incredibly delicate dance on a floor covered in eggshells. Distracting them seems like a bad idea.

I wonder how much money Wendeen has locked up on FTP. She seems more eager to please people than she is to protect their interests.

One last thing: if Wendeen releases evidence that this was leaked to her with Arlo and Isai's consent, I will issue an immediate retraction and apology. Hell, I'll send her flowers. I would love to be wrong about all of this.

Last edited by Lovelander; 07-30-2012 at 11:49 PM. Reason: bad anagram: typed 'night' when I meant 'thing'
07-30-2012 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
If Wendeen is wrong and a deal isn't announced w/i a short, reasonable amount of time, she will be more upset about it than any 100 posters itt added together. If she's completely wrong and there is no deal she'd be a nervous wreck walking into a poker room.

I've said it before: She would NOT take that chance, this has to be real.

Yea but you are assuming that if she thinks it is real, then it is in fact real. It is completely possible she was told by a good source that had bad information, or maybe an overly excited employee who was jumping the gun a little bit.

There are probably very few people who are actually in the know about the details of this deal, it's like a game of telephone by the time the information gets to us. After two or three people, "There might be a deal done by the end of the weekend!" can easily turn into, "Deal made over the weekend, might be a press announcement on monday!".
07-30-2012 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by XaQ Morphy
Yeah you're wrong. She never claimed that on Friday. I'm not sticking up for her or anything, but it's reading comprehension mishaps like yours that blew this thread completely out of the water the last few days.
Actually It was a couple of days. Whatever you interpretation is "A couple of Days meaning 2 or 3.
Now we are pretty much finished with Monday which has been 3 days since she said a couple.

I am not sticking up for anyone here either. If you are going to say something you should take the time to do a deeper investigation regardless of how credible your source is.
We have seen many times first hand how credible poker journalists credible sources are.
07-30-2012 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CANUCKEH44
Actually It was a couple of days. Whatever you interpretation is "A couple of Days meaning 2 or 3.
Now we are pretty much finished with Monday which has been 3 days since she said a couple.
That's the thing though, Eolis didn't say that. Re-read her article and tweet from Friday. That idiot Jennifer Whatshername said Friday or Monday then changed it to Monday, and DF said "a few days". But that's it.

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Originally Posted by CANUCKEH44
I am not sticking up for anyone here either. If you are going to say something you should take the time to do a deeper investigation regardless of how credible your source is.
We have seen many times first hand how credible poker journalists credible sources are.
Yep, agreed.
07-31-2012 , 12:02 AM
Still no reply from TT class claim on pacer fwiw.
07-31-2012 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CANUCKEH44
Actually It was a couple of days. Whatever you interpretation is "A couple of Days meaning 2 or 3.
Now we are pretty much finished with Monday which has been 3 days since she said a couple.

I am not sticking up for anyone here either. If you are going to say something you should take the time to do a deeper investigation regardless of how credible your source is.
We have seen many times first hand how credible poker journalists credible sources are.
Nowhere in Wendeen's first 2 articles did she say "a couple of days". The only references to time she made was to say FTP players would receive their funds in time for Christmas shopping and that based on the facts presented to her players will see their $ in a finite amount of time.

She even specifically stated in her 2nd article that she didn't time stamp it specifically bc "any delay would cause needless further frustration" when referencing Newell putting specific days on the announcement.
07-31-2012 , 12:04 AM
Just have to admit, overall, this has been a very humorous thread.
07-31-2012 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CANUCKEH44
Actually It was a couple of days. Whatever you interpretation is "A couple of Days meaning 2 or 3.
Now we are pretty much finished with Monday which has been 3 days since she said a couple.

I am not sticking up for anyone here either. If you are going to say something you should take the time to do a deeper investigation regardless of how credible your source is.
We have seen many times first hand how credible poker journalists credible sources are.
reading is hard yo.
07-31-2012 , 12:07 AM
wow, chill everyone and let it rest for a few days.
07-31-2012 , 12:08 AM
go on. do it.
restate your incorrect understanding again.
07-31-2012 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Cy.
Yea but you are assuming that if she thinks it is real, then it is in fact real. It is completely possible she was told by a good source that had bad information, or maybe an overly excited employee who was jumping the gun a little bit.

There are probably very few people who are actually in the know about the details of this deal, it's like a game of telephone by the time the information gets to us. After two or three people, "There might be a deal done by the end of the weekend!" can easily turn into, "Deal made over the weekend, might be a press announcement on monday!".
I know that she could have been purposely misled and that it's not over until it's over. But, even though it's been a while, I also know Wendeen. 'Drama' and 'Wendeen' are practically synonyms. I don't know how I put it earlier but I said something along the lines of 'She'd rather die of eye cancer than get caught in a provable lie when it comes to poker' and this is the biggest thing 'poker' in her entire poker life.

I bet on Wendeen. She has to be sure.
07-31-2012 , 12:10 AM
Do any of the lawyers what to take a swing at whether the Robb Evans claim actually needs to be cleared. Here is the original claim: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...564/377900/68/

This is only claiming accounts at Sun First, which were presumably controlled by Stars/FTP or a processor. It does not make a claim wrt FTP/Stars corporate assets (software etc). Could the DoJ reach a settlement with Stars/FTP in which that account is forfeited to the DoJ and then litigate it out with Robb Evans?
07-31-2012 , 12:45 AM
WTF how did we go more than 30 minutes without a post ITT?
07-31-2012 , 12:46 AM
Where are we now ? Is the deal imminent ?
07-31-2012 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hypergeometry
Where are we now ? Is the deal imminent ?
There we go. Now we're back on track. Thanks, because I was really worried there for a minute.
07-31-2012 , 12:54 AM
So todays the day right?
07-31-2012 , 12:57 AM
My sauces say the deal will be done a buncha days from now.
07-31-2012 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperJez
So todays the day right?

Last edited by Gunth0807; 07-31-2012 at 12:58 AM. Reason: my opinion is unconfirmed
07-31-2012 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt
WTF how did we go more than 30 minutes without a post ITT?
Everybody is putting on their wrist braces cause the Carpal Tunnel is acting up.
07-31-2012 , 01:24 AM
Good luck tomorrow everyone.
07-31-2012 , 01:27 AM
http://www.eolis.com/content/law-firms


"The New York law firm Skadden, Arps, Meagher, and Flom filed a 51-page motion for the dismissal of all the charges against PokerStars..."

connect the dots people... where do you think Wendeen's source came from?
07-31-2012 , 01:31 AM
^^^^^^^
07-31-2012 , 01:46 AM
gl fellas
07-31-2012 , 01:51 AM
inb4 next week

      
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