It's slightly better ev to have 2 threads than just 1 about FTP.

We need a petition to open an FTP **** thread for idiots, and all the idiots get banned from this thread.

Dwan and Lederer eating at Ellis Island about two hours ago according to my friend on Facebook.

I would gladly trade my FTP roll (which was not insignificant) to get PokerStars and other sites back in the US, but yeah, it would be terrible if they were able to do well enough in court to get out of the FTP settlement, but not well enough to open the US market back up.

This needs a thread of its own if its true.

Do you know how I can claim back my 5 FTPP's?

The probability that PS gets out of this without paying a dime probably equals to the probability that I win the ME next year.

So you're saying there's a 50/50 chance?

huge cheeseburger, french fries, chicken fingers with some ranch dressing as a dip.

No. I wont play ME next year.

I don't actually know why, but this is OMFG!

Of course its OMFG Dwan states in every interview about how mad he is when he thinks about the ftp situation and now he is having dinner with the head of the mob? Dwan is officially in my scumbag list

My god, you people don't need to act pathetic here.

If HL called me up and said he wanted to have dinner and explain everything to me, I would snap say yes. You just look for people to hate, get a clue.

What PS is saying is that it's possible that they may have been in violation of the law in 10 states (they say that the DOJ admitted in a Capos/Ellie filing that they only make an IGBA case in those States), but the government has the duty of quantifying that liability.

PS lawyers argue that the DOJ claim for $1.5B can never get before a jury, the government may be granted leave to attempt to calculate the rake earned from those 10 States, but the moment that they amend their claim, it would be an admission that PokerStars was operating legally in the others.

I've been saying for a while that the DOJ has likely already committed to a deal, now after reading the motions to dismiss I understand why.

1) Not 100% sure this is Lederer
2) Not 100% sure this is real/recent
3) People have been saying Lederer didn't know about anything for a while now. He obv still deserves some hate/pain regardless but would be normal if Dwan didn't see him as a villain anymore if that's accurate.

I don't recall the site nor have a link (it's in this huge thread), but in his most recent interview prior to appearing at the WSOP he specifically said he didn't want to comment on Howard because it would close the doors of communication that were best left open.

In other words, Tom wanted to hear what Lederer had to say before making any comment, so the fact that they are dining together just means that he finally got his chance.

Yeah i remember that interview, and i'd rather see Lederer explaining things to the public and if i was Tom thats what i would say to him, Tom is a millionaire, he is the last person Howdy should be explaining things

Great point, if he wants to explain things, he has to start with the poorest people and work his way up to Tom at the end of the line.

What are you talking about ffs. There is obviously a ton of stuff going on behind the scenes right now and at this point it seems pretty damn reasonable for involved parties to let these negotiations finish. This is obviously not an excuse for total silence after the site went down, but at this point, IF this is real and he is meeting up with someone whose trust he betrayed to explain things privately, there is nothing wrong with that.

its hard to keep up + a lot of difficult english. So where are we at now - what date are we now waiting on?
and is there something to what Gioco said about october?

We are currently unsure wether we should remain cautiously optimistic about it all working out or not.

Even if PS gets cleared of all charges, can PS buying FTP improve their chances of entering US market? Legal US market has to be worth a few billion for PS, maybe more...

I think HL And CF were both out of the loop till it was too late. Were they stupid, probably, but neither had run a business before. I suppose if a friend I trusted gave me a lot of cash every month I wouldn't question it, if I knew the risks. In a way you have to give Bitar some credit. He ran a business for what looks like several years losing money and no-one knew. Not his partners, the gaming commission, or the public. Even the DOJ didn't know and up to BF they probably knew more about the company than anyone else.

[ ] outrages scandal
[x] needs own thread
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anyway, it looks like a father-son-talk where the pop wasn't pleased about his sons behavior ^^

kinda OT ... but why are all 'lederer sighting pic' so shaky .. is everyone afraid, that lederer go berserk?

Remember also that beating the civil claims doesn't clear Isai of his criminal charges, most importantly the conspiracy to violate the UIGEA, which is only going to go away if the DOJ agrees to make it go away.

Buying FTP would allow the DOJ to package the story of BF into one about offshore gambling sites being untrustworthy rather than necessarily illegal unless the State passes a law prohibiting them.

They could point to PS as an example of regulated internet gaming protecting the players, while contrasting that with FT/UB as examples of what happens if State governments do nothing.

Obama has voiced the opinion that online gambling is a State issue, so it shouldn't come as too big of a surprise if his DOJ throws this case back in the faces of State governments to motivate them to pass legislation.

obv that's not HL

It wasn't Hellmuth on the hotdog boat either but it doesn't mean we aren't going to talk about it for 1000 posts.

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